Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/05/08
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I can see why...(-: Cheers Jayanand On Thu, May 9, 2013 at 7:14 AM, Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com>wrote: > Nope, THAT image is particularly controversial (whether he intends it or > not is another matter). And nope, I just google image his name, and other > than THAT one, I still do not see images of people of color. > > > On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> > wrote: > > > I just Google contact sheeted Garry Winogrand . > > The every first pic which comes up involves people of color. > > and the 3rd and 5th shots So it seems to be a pattern here in which > every > > other pix involves a person of color. > > It seems he was not ignoring them. Would seem to have no problem with > other > > than white people during an era of the civil rights movement in which > you'd > > have to be very blind to not be having a lot of empathy with that > struggle > > and probably be a bit involved yourself.... > > A key shot which comes up often is this one: > > http://www.thephoblographer.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/winogrand.jpg > > > > > > On 5/7/13 12:35 AM, "Richard Man" <richard at richardmanphoto.com> wrote: > > > > > I will just let the observation stands - there's no Asian and few > African > > > Americans in his vast collection of photos (that we know of). > > > > > > Whether it's a subject worth analyzing or not is another matter. > Probably > > > not. > > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 9:31 PM, Lew Schwartz <lew1716 at gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > >> Well, he certainly had a lot of skill, and what we see is the result > of > > a > > >> lot of editing. We don't know for a fact who or what everything was > > that he > > >> actually photographed. Ok, ok; I know ... same difference ... move the > > >> argument over to what we actually see after edits. I don't understand > > the > > >> kind of bias you're hinting at. If someone shoots cowboy shows, which > he > > >> did, would that make him biased against antique fairs? I also don't > > think > > >> of criticism as a form of acknowledgement or recognition. > > >> It's like "Criticize me!! That way I'll at least know you know I'm > > >> here." Good criticism is way more than this. Poor people and rich > > people > > >> don't go in for this sort of attention and neither do I, although I'm > > >> neither. > > >> > > >> -Lew Schwartz > > >> > > >> > > >> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 12:10 AM, Richard Man < > > richard at richardmanphoto.com > > >>> wrote: > > >> > > >>> Lew, may be it's a form of approval,... or may be it is a form of > color > > >>> blindness. Come on, during the long period he photographed, from 40s > to > > >>> 80s, there were no interesting, even people to be critical about, of > > >> other > > >>> races that he had met or seen? > > >>> > > >>> We are not talking someone who takes 100 pictures or even 1000 > > pictures a > > >>> year. In that case, what do you expect type of thing. He takes 100 > > >> pictures > > >>> a day easily. If you roam the streets of LA, or NY etc. and take that > > >> many > > >>> pictures, it takes skills not to take pictures of people of colors or > > >>> Asians... > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 8:48 PM, Lew Schwartz <lew1716 at gmail.com> > > wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> I'm not sure I entirely understand Richards remarks. Winogrand never > > >>>> represented himself to be a news photographer, although he > undoubtedly > > >>> took > > >>>> assignments and was presented to the public under that rubric. I've > > >>> always > > >>>> thought of him as highly critical of the society he photographed. > His > > >>>> omissions may be a form of approval. > > >>>> > > >>>> -Lew Schwartz > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 11:35 PM, Phil Swango <pswango at att.net> > wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> Richard Man wrote: > > >>>>>> Winograd is not my favorite street artist, mainly because it's the > > >>> same > > >>>>>> type of photos he shot. For example, the periods he covered > > >> included > > >>>> the > > >>>>>> civil rights movement and of all the hundreds of photos in the > > >> show, > > >>>>> there > > >>>>>> are may be 3-4 photos where African American are present, and as > > >> far > > >>> as > > >>>>> we > > >>>>>> can tell, exactly one photo where there is an Asian present - and > > >>> only > > >>>>>> because she was pretty and had goofy hair. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Interesting thoughts Richard. We just had a lecture in the local > > >>> museum > > >>>>> about race, representation and photography. There's also an > > >>> interesting > > >>>>> new book in which an AA female photographer shoots her white > friends > > >>> and > > >>>>> muses on whether and how race may figure into reading the photo. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>> > > >> > > > http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/22/some-of-her-best-friends-are-white/ > > >>>>> > > >>>>> If the link doesn't work look up Myra Greene. The book is "My > White > > >>>>> Friends." I've ordered it. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> -- > > >>>>> Phil Swango > > >>>>> 307 Aliso Dr SE > > >>>>> Albuquerque, NM 87108 > > >>>>> 505-262-4085 > > >>>>> > > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>>> Leica Users Group. > > >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > information > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> Leica Users Group. > > >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > information > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >>> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com> > > >>> // http://facebook.com/richardmanphoto > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> Leica Users Group. > > >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > >>> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Leica Users Group. > > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Mark William Rabiner > > Photography > > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > > -- > // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com> > // http://facebook.com/richardmanphoto > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >