Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/05/08
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Nope, THAT image is particularly controversial (whether he intends it or not is another matter). And nope, I just google image his name, and other than THAT one, I still do not see images of people of color. On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 6:29 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: > I just Google contact sheeted Garry Winogrand . > The every first pic which comes up involves people of color. > and the 3rd and 5th shots So it seems to be a pattern here in which every > other pix involves a person of color. > It seems he was not ignoring them. Would seem to have no problem with other > than white people during an era of the civil rights movement in which you'd > have to be very blind to not be having a lot of empathy with that struggle > and probably be a bit involved yourself.... > A key shot which comes up often is this one: > http://www.thephoblographer.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/winogrand.jpg > > > On 5/7/13 12:35 AM, "Richard Man" <richard at richardmanphoto.com> wrote: > > > I will just let the observation stands - there's no Asian and few African > > Americans in his vast collection of photos (that we know of). > > > > Whether it's a subject worth analyzing or not is another matter. Probably > > not. > > > > > > On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 9:31 PM, Lew Schwartz <lew1716 at gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > >> Well, he certainly had a lot of skill, and what we see is the result of > a > >> lot of editing. We don't know for a fact who or what everything was > that he > >> actually photographed. Ok, ok; I know ... same difference ... move the > >> argument over to what we actually see after edits. I don't understand > the > >> kind of bias you're hinting at. If someone shoots cowboy shows, which he > >> did, would that make him biased against antique fairs? I also don't > think > >> of criticism as a form of acknowledgement or recognition. > >> It's like "Criticize me!! That way I'll at least know you know I'm > >> here." Good criticism is way more than this. Poor people and rich > people > >> don't go in for this sort of attention and neither do I, although I'm > >> neither. > >> > >> -Lew Schwartz > >> > >> > >> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 12:10 AM, Richard Man < > richard at richardmanphoto.com > >>> wrote: > >> > >>> Lew, may be it's a form of approval,... or may be it is a form of color > >>> blindness. Come on, during the long period he photographed, from 40s to > >>> 80s, there were no interesting, even people to be critical about, of > >> other > >>> races that he had met or seen? > >>> > >>> We are not talking someone who takes 100 pictures or even 1000 > pictures a > >>> year. In that case, what do you expect type of thing. He takes 100 > >> pictures > >>> a day easily. If you roam the streets of LA, or NY etc. and take that > >> many > >>> pictures, it takes skills not to take pictures of people of colors or > >>> Asians... > >>> > >>> > >>> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 8:48 PM, Lew Schwartz <lew1716 at gmail.com> > wrote: > >>> > >>>> I'm not sure I entirely understand Richards remarks. Winogrand never > >>>> represented himself to be a news photographer, although he undoubtedly > >>> took > >>>> assignments and was presented to the public under that rubric. I've > >>> always > >>>> thought of him as highly critical of the society he photographed. His > >>>> omissions may be a form of approval. > >>>> > >>>> -Lew Schwartz > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 11:35 PM, Phil Swango <pswango at att.net> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Richard Man wrote: > >>>>>> Winograd is not my favorite street artist, mainly because it's the > >>> same > >>>>>> type of photos he shot. For example, the periods he covered > >> included > >>>> the > >>>>>> civil rights movement and of all the hundreds of photos in the > >> show, > >>>>> there > >>>>>> are may be 3-4 photos where African American are present, and as > >> far > >>> as > >>>>> we > >>>>>> can tell, exactly one photo where there is an Asian present - and > >>> only > >>>>>> because she was pretty and had goofy hair. > >>>>> > >>>>> Interesting thoughts Richard. We just had a lecture in the local > >>> museum > >>>>> about race, representation and photography. There's also an > >>> interesting > >>>>> new book in which an AA female photographer shoots her white friends > >>> and > >>>>> muses on whether and how race may figure into reading the photo. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/22/some-of-her-best-friends-are-white/ > >>>>> > >>>>> If the link doesn't work look up Myra Greene. The book is "My White > >>>>> Friends." I've ordered it. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Phil Swango > >>>>> 307 Aliso Dr SE > >>>>> Albuquerque, NM 87108 > >>>>> 505-262-4085 > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com> > >>> // http://facebook.com/richardmanphoto > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Leica Users Group. > >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leica Users Group. > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > Mark William Rabiner > Photography > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > -- // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com> // http://facebook.com/richardmanphoto