Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/06/26
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]"Good value" is a key term concerning this whole Leica deal. A fact that since its inception there was always a cheaper way to take pictures. Always will be. Won't a Pentax Spotmatic still take very nice pictures? If it did and it cost half a Leica then its clearly to most people a better value is it not? Or a Nikon F used by the vast majority of pro's a while back. Why pay more than what the pros are paying? Don't you need to be looking through the lens? But a few went for the Leica for the numerous reasons which gets occasionally discussed here and other Leica lists. 1. You get to NOT look through the lens. 2. Premium build and glass. 3. more compact basic size form. 4. a bit more low key on the job 5. looks nicer. 6. feels nicer. 8. a better investment of money. 9. I forgot. 10. _____ insert your own reason here. As far as Leica goes it should got without saying there is always a cheaper way out. And that gets called " good value". And that term was used by a few others in the past couple of days and in reviews of the New Vario X I just read...."but is it a good value?" they guy said. Any of my Leica lenses I got in the 90's and beyond I can sell for twice what I laid out for them new. Any Nikon lens I got was like driving out of a dealership with a new car. A not small irretrievable loss had just occurred. And every time I reached for my 35mm ASPH f2 Summicron M it didn't ask me for another $1495. It just made better images than any Nikon lens I had by far. 16x20 and 20x24 inch prints made first in my darkroom and then on my Epson in odd sizes made for no doubt. And still I got to use the lens and it never once asked me for more cash. The $1495 was gone. I'd long forgotten what else I may have done with it. Yes put me on the list please! Check it twice. I have faith that many more of us will be getting new Leica M's this year and in the very near future. As plenty other people brand new to all things Leica will be this year and in the very near future. And many of these people will be doing some high profile work. Soon you wont be able to get a decent table in a McDonalds without a Leica M in your side bag. On 6/26/13 2:14 AM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote: > Mark, I doubt that anyone else on the list is as enthused with the new M > (or all of the M stuff I guess) as I am. I just got mine yesterday so I'm > barely starting to learn it. > Of course they are also still in extremely short supply and they cost a > lot. So was the M8 and the M9 initially. Actually mine cost me > significantly less than my M9 (which is going to a good home on the list). > I was just commenting that the Fuji cameras are very popular and seem like > good value, so much so here that no-one can sell you one in my city > currently which is a little ironic. Do I need one and would I buy one, no, > for the very obvious reason that I'm lucky enough to have a great camera > with superb lenses to use. > > I'll put you on my group email list for stuff on the new camera if you > like. There just aren't many owners here as yet, I think. Henning a couple > of others as I recall. > > > *Family and friends are everything.* > > Cheers > Geoff > http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman > > > On 26 June 2013 13:39, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: > >> Well I hope my tone was clear I'm on your side for being the only one to >> mention the Leica brand on the thread I think it was an M240 you >> recommended. >> I was a bit put off by the unanimous consensus to get the Fuji system >> camera >> on the LUG today. Leica has moved far beyond this now. Cropped systems. >> The fuji is a half assed compromise. >> >> I don't feel if that's what your now saying that the fact that the Fuji is >> sold out that that makes it an item of interest for a list of supposed >> Leica >> lovers. It just means they made a camera marketed at the masses and is >> succeeding on that account. >> As far as APS-2 1.5x compacts go I'm ok with the ones with non >> interchangeable lenes. The idea of using my set of Leica glass on a >> cropped >> format with odd balance and limited compatibility does not excite me. But >> quite puts me off. >> The APS-C format is fine for me on a camera which goes into a pants >> pocket. >> I'd even go the Vario X route though it would need a coat pocket. >> The compact glass on the Leica X2 or Vario are made for that format. >> As are some other ones. >> >> Fujifilm X100s $1,299 1.5 crop >> Leica X2 $1,995 1.5 crop >> Nikon Coolpix A $1,097 1.5 crop >> Ricoh GR $797 1.5 crop >> Sigma DP1, 2 or 3. $999 with a sensor closer to 2x crop. >> >> But the camera to get of course is the Sony RX1 full frame. >> If I was not shooting with an M240 that would be my camera of choice. >> >> I'm afraid at this point I have no patience for an M9 and the money I'd >> have >> to pay for one. I see it as a failed camera. A nice try, but no cigar. >> The fact that its no longer made speaks for itself. >> It was strike two. >> And strike three is not going to happen for the new digital Leica company >> because the Leica M240 and Monochrom are huge winners taking the company >> up >> to a higher level which I'm excited about. One in which far more serious >> users are using rangefinder Leica gear. >> And the S Too. >> >> I'm not excited about people on the Leica list talking about a cropped >> fuji >> as if its a replacement for a full frame M. which it clearly isn't. >> I'd expect to hear such garbage on the fuji list if there is one. >> Or a bunch of computer geeks talking gadgets du jour. >> >> >> >> >> On 6/25/13 6:39 PM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Mark I could be considered biased here ;-) >>> However just suggesting what may work best for Ric whose apparently now >>> facing a large repair bill for a previously repaired M8. Personally I >>> would be very frustrated in his position and very reluctant to spend more >>> on the M8. I would maybe also be elevating my protest if the repair >> agency >>> has said no to a warranty claim. Everyone's circumstance is different and >>> their own of course. My understanding of that shutter problem was that >> the >>> slower max speed ones ought to be better. The shutter unit is in any >> case a >>> standard Copal unit that has been in many many camera for years >> including I >>> think R cameras and the M9 too. I know nothing on any MTBF histories >> though. >>> For what it's worth the excellent Fuji cameras are back ordered >> everywhere >>> here as well... But you can pick up almost any M lens or a Monochrom or >> an >>> M-E or an X anything or even a Dlux jeans edition right off a shelf. You >>> would wait longer for an M though...but my wait is over ;-) >>> On Jun 26, 2013 7:28 AM, "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Geoff you seem to be suggesting that someone on the LUG go out and buy a >>>> Leica camera. I can't even belive what I am reading. You are way off >> topic. >>>> This is the Fuji only zone. >>>> Here today gone tomorrow cameras only. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 6/25/13 5:16 PM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I can only speak about the international warranty Ric where that is the >>>>> case. I don't know the circumstances of the failure you got nor what >> was >>>>> done of course. A camera that goes to Solms at least is assessed >>>> completely >>>>> when any paid service is performed and any additional work would be >>>> quoted >>>>> and everything adjusted to spec and guaranteed. For the M9 at least at >>>> one >>>>> point you could buy an additional warranty period too. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Family and friends are everything.* >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> Geoff >>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 25 June 2013 21:32, RicCarter <ric at cartersxrd.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> would that were true--my other M8 died less than a year after Leica >> CLA. >>>>>> >>>>>> They refused to talk about repaair because they said they had not >>>> replaced >>>>>> the shutter. >>>>>> >>>>>> ric >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 25, 2013, at 5:27 AM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Pay for a CLA and then get twelve months warranty on the whole camera >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>> Photography >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Mark William Rabiner >> Photography >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information -- Mark William Rabiner Photography http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/