Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 1999/09/21
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]- --------------2D9952411B566CE791B60885 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anthony Atkielski wrote: > From: A.H.SCHMIDT <horsts@actek.com.au> > Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 02:53 > Subject: Re: [Leica] Consistent underexposure problem > > > What a load of garbage. > > It's closer to a statement of fact. > > > When you say" Abroad, you sound like you don't really " > > Abroad", but third world countries. What would you call > > 3rd world countries? Taiwan? Singapore ? Portugal? > > Scotland? Well............ > > It actually applies to any country, since the problems arises from differences > in culture. Some countries care nothing about quality control, others are very > anal-retentive about it. If you don't recognize these differences when you go > multinational, you'll be in for some unpleasant surprises. > > > Where do you think most of the electronic computer > > components American, German, or other "non abroad" > > countries have developed are manufactured? Abroad as you call > > it. > > They are just assembled there, and the assembly is not a matter of huge > precision. The actual chips are fabricated in a handful of facilities held to > extremely high standards. > > > These components are to the same high standards as if > > they are made in the originating country. > > The components usually come from one of a handful of countries with the means to > produce them. The relatively unskilled assembly can be done anywhere. > > The problem with cameras is that they are mechanical, and assembly is much more > difficult in consequence. > > > If you consider Leitz and Canada. Many Leitz lenses originated > > in Canada and where later also manufactured in Germany. Would > > you call the German made products inferior because they where > > made abroad (with respect to Canada)? > > I'd consider them suspect, until proven otherwise. > > > Look at companies like Adidas, Hugo Boss, IBM, National Semiconductor, > > Hewlett Packard, Nike. The list goes on and on. Do you think this > > companies accept and then sell rubbish ? > > Some do, yes. Also, the products of some of these companies can be slapped > together by unskilled labor. > > > It just depends on the Quality assurance. > > Yes. But QA isn't always a high priority, and even when it nominally is, it is > often carried out by local talent that doesn't have the same standards as the > home office. I've worked in multinational companies for years; I know whereof I > speak. > > > Nothing else Don't forget, People in other countries are not > > all sloppy workers. > > I never said they were. But some countries are sloppier than others in certain > domains. As I've said, for cameras, I prefer German or Japanese manufacture. > > > If This is your attitude, then, this > > days, you are extremely restricted to what you > > can by. > > For most products, it doesn't matter. For products that are marketed solely on > the basis of quality, it matters a lot. > > > You are of course saying, that all the Leica lenses available > > today, which contain glass made in Japan (Abroad) are of inferior > > Quality. > > No, I'm not. Japan has excellent standards for high technology. > > -- Anthony Well Anthony, you really told me. I give in. Not because I believe you are right. But how can anyone argue against those type of comments. I just give up. What really finished me off, was your replay to my comment below: > If you consider Leitz and Canada. Many Leitz lenses originated > in Canada and where later also manufactured in Germany. Would > you call the German made products inferior because they where > made abroad (with respect to Canada)? I'd consider them suspect, until proven otherwise. Horst Schmidt - --------------2D9952411B566CE791B60885 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <HTML> <P>Anthony Atkielski wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>From: A.H.SCHMIDT <horsts@actek.com.au> <BR>Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 1999 02:53 <BR>Subject: Re: [Leica] Consistent underexposure problem <P>> What a load of garbage. <P>It's closer to a statement of fact. <P>> When you say" Abroad, you sound like you don't really " <BR>> Abroad", but third world countries. What would you call <BR>> 3rd world countries? Taiwan? Singapore ? Portugal? <BR>> Scotland? Well............ <P>It actually applies to any country, since the problems arises from differences <BR>in culture. Some countries care nothing about quality control, others are very <BR>anal-retentive about it. If you don't recognize these differences when you go <BR>multinational, you'll be in for some unpleasant surprises. <P>> Where do you think most of the electronic computer <BR>> components American, German, or other "non abroad" <BR>> countries have developed are manufactured? Abroad as you call <BR>> it. <P>They are just assembled there, and the assembly is not a matter of huge <BR>precision. The actual chips are fabricated in a handful of facilities held to <BR>extremely high standards. <P>> These components are to the same high standards as if <BR>> they are made in the originating country. <P>The components usually come from one of a handful of countries with the means to <BR>produce them. The relatively unskilled assembly can be done anywhere. <P>The problem with cameras is that they are mechanical, and assembly is much more <BR>difficult in consequence. <P>> If you consider Leitz and Canada. Many Leitz lenses originated <BR>> in Canada and where later also manufactured in Germany. Would <BR>> you call the German made products inferior because they where <BR>> made abroad (with respect to Canada)? <P>I'd consider them suspect, until proven otherwise. <P>> Look at companies like Adidas, Hugo Boss, IBM, National Semiconductor, <BR>> Hewlett Packard, Nike. The list goes on and on. Do you think this <BR>> companies accept and then sell rubbish ? <P>Some do, yes. Also, the products of some of these companies can be slapped <BR>together by unskilled labor. <P>> It just depends on the Quality assurance. <P>Yes. But QA isn't always a high priority, and even when it nominally is, it is <BR>often carried out by local talent that doesn't have the same standards as the <BR>home office. I've worked in multinational companies for years; I know whereof I <BR>speak. <P>> Nothing else Don't forget, People in other countries are not <BR>> all sloppy workers. <P>I never said they were. But some countries are sloppier than others in certain <BR>domains. As I've said, for cameras, I prefer German or Japanese manufacture. <P>> If This is your attitude, then, this <BR>> days, you are extremely restricted to what you <BR>> can by. <P>For most products, it doesn't matter. For products that are marketed solely on <BR>the basis of quality, it matters a lot. <P>> You are of course saying, that all the Leica lenses available <BR>> today, which contain glass made in Japan (Abroad) are of inferior <BR>> Quality. <P>No, I'm not. Japan has excellent standards for high technology. <P> -- Anthony</BLOCKQUOTE> Well Anthony, you really told me. I give in. Not because I believe you are right. But how can anyone argue against those type of comments. I just give up. What really finished me off, was your replay to my comment below: <P>> If you consider Leitz and Canada. Many Leitz lenses originated <BR>> in Canada and where later also manufactured in Germany. Would <BR>> you call the German made products inferior because they where <BR>> made abroad (with respect to Canada)? <P><B>I'd consider them suspect, until proven otherwise.</B> <P>Horst Schmidt <P> </HTML> - --------------2D9952411B566CE791B60885--