Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 1999/12/16

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Subject: RE: [Leica] 180 Summicron vs. Canon 200/1.8
From: "Dan S" <dstate1@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:14:38 GMT

Looks like a quality control issue....I can't believe the the COlorphoto 
test is representitive of the type.

It does NOT speak well for the consistency of the Canon lens...

Dan


>
>That's interesting but at Photodo where they use Hasselblad MTF equipment 
>to
>test the lenses, the Canon 200mm F1.8 rated it as one of the highest tested
>at 4.8 (out of 5).  If it were as bad as ColorFoto pointed out, then why
>does it receive such raves reviews elsewhere?
>Oh well.
>
>Peter K
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: David W. Almy [mailto:dalmy@mindspring.com]
>Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 6:39 AM
>To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
>Subject: [Leica] 180 Summicron vs. Canon 200/1.8
>
>
>"Kotsinadelis, Peter (Peter)" wrote:
> >
> > Of the lenses you did list, the Canon 200 F1.8 is perhaps the sharpest
>lens
> > of all.
> > So as an option, I could buy the 200mm F1.8 and an EOS-3 body and still
>save
> > $1000 when you compare that combination to the $5395 price of the Leica
> > 180/2 you noted.
> > Plus I gain a modern AF camera body with a sharper lens.
>
>Peter,
>
>Not according to ColorFoto, which measured the Canon to be the LEAST
>sharp of those tested. From Pascal's site, here are the ColorFoto test
>results, published since 12/94:
>
>Abbreviations:
>Res. Resolution/Sharpness
>Cont. Contrast
>Cent. Centering
>Dist. Distortion
>Vign. Vignetting
>Total Total sum of points
>
>				Res. Cont. Cent. Dist. Vign. Total
>				30    30   20    10    10    100
>Leica Apo-Summicron 2/180mm 	25.5  29.1 20    10    10    94.6 (Best
>Lens ever)
>Minolta AF 2.8 200mm APO 	22.1  27.3 18    10    10    87.4
>Canon EF 2.0 135mm L USM 	23.0  26.9 16    10    8     83.9
>Canon EF 3.5 180mm macro L 	22.3  26.6 15    10    10    83.9
>Nikon Nikkor 2/200mm    	19.9  27.3 17    10    8     82.2
>Canon EF 2.8/200mm L USM II 	21.2  26.0 15    10    10    82.2
>Tokina AF 2.8 100mm AT-X m 	20.6  26.7 13    10    9     79.3
>Canon EF 1.8/200mm L USM 	18.3  25.2 12    10    8     73.5
>
>In fairness, Photodo's results seem to contradict Colorfoto's for the
>Canon 200. Photodo has not posted test results on the 180 Summicron. The
>"best lens ever" Colorfoto distinction for the 180 Summicron is for all
>lenses. The same distinction applies to the Canon based upon the Photodo
>test series/methodology.
>
>David W. Almy
>Annapolis
>
>
> > "Kotsinadelis, Peter (Peter)" wrote:
> > >
> > > Those prices are ludicrous. I can buy a Contax 645 with zeiss lenses
> > > for the price of those two and get a neg nearly 3 times as large.
> > > Geeeezzz.  I hope Leica wakes up one day and realizes their prices are
> > > insane.
> > >
> > > Peter K
> >
> > Well, if you need a fast 180, buying a Contax 645 with Zeiss lenses just
> > ain't gonna cut it, is it?  Besides, why would you buy *both* the 
>180/2.0
> > and the 180/2.8?
> >
> > And if $5395 is insane for a 180/2.0, B&H quotes the following:
> >
> >    Canon   200/1.8   $4159
> >    Contax  200/2.0   $7099
> >    Nikon   200/2.0   $4625 (manual focus)
> >
> > Reality check for Contax, anyone? ;)
> >
> > M.
> >
> > --
> > Martin Howard                     |
> > Visiting Scholar, CSEL, OSU       |    What boots up must come down.
> > email: howard.390@osu.edu         |
> > www: http://mvhoward.i.am/        
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