Re: [Leica] Fascist State & Leicas

["Bryan Caldwell" <bcaldwell@softcom.net>]

One of the things I like about some of the other forums and user's groups
that I belong to is that they all have "Off-Topic" areas where members who
have gotten to know each other can carry on coversations on topics unrelated
to the purpose of the forum or group (without going to private Email where
others are excluded).

One of the things I like about the LUG is that those who criticize topic
threads for being off topic and ask that discussions be taken elsewhere
always manage to squeeze in their own opinions on the subject first.

Bryan

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Langer" <mlanger@ccs.carleton.ca>
To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Cc: "Mark Langer" <mlanger@alfred.ccs.carleton.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 7:16 AM
Subject: [Leica] Fascist State & Leicas


> I recall Marc James Small seeming to imply on another newsgroup that all
> countries without the right to bear arms were living under dictatorships,
> which caused considerable amusement among list members living in Canada,
> the UK, France, etc.  I never thought he'd top that, but he has.
>
> Fascist society?  This from a man who seems to be saying let the poor
> starve (or shoot them), and seems unable to conceive of any social change
> since the time of the writing of the Constitution.  The Constitution is
> not written in stone with an immutable meaning for all time.  It has
> been interpreted, reinterpreted and amended constantly. Guess you don't
need
> any of those pesky amendments to the Constitution, since they weren't in
> the original, nor need you obey any law that isn't in the Constitution.
> Let's bring back those hallowed customs like slavery (one of those
> sacred "states' rights" issues) and restricting the vote to white male
> property-owners!  Or does Mr. Small only want the amendments and
> interpretations that meet his personal approval?
>
> Marc seems to be a nice and informative guy until this subject comes up,
> and then some synapse misfires in his brain (and those of like-minded
> colleagues) and off we go. Can we take this lunacy to another news group?
> While I defend the right of LUG members to hold any opinions they want, it
> doesn't follow that the rest of us need provide a forum for them.  I
> suggest that those so inclined might find alt.revisionism or
> alt.conspiracy more congenial outlets for these diatribes, where one can
> find similarly-minded company among those who blame various groups like
the
> Illuminati, Franklin Roosevelt, the Rosicrucians and the Queen of England
for
> the world's troubles.  Those of use who seem unaware that we live in a
> slave-state not unlike Nazi Germany would like to get back to Leicas.
>
> Mark
>
> P.S. - Judging by the reaction the last time Marc brought up this subject
> on another group, I will delete all private responses to this unread.
> Once burned is twice shy.
>
>
> Marc James Small, while showing a little too much white around his
> irises, rants:
>
> > Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 18:35:55 -0500
> > From: Marc James Small <msmall@roanoke.infi.net>
> > Subject: [Leica] Totally OT:  Buzz's Know-Nothing Tax Rant
> >
> > Allow me simply to state that, on this issue, I am totally in accord
with
> > Don Rorschach and not with you.  You have simply acceded to the Gummit's
> > claims that they are the perfect solution to everything, and, to this I
> > dissent, constantly and firmly.
> >
> > Oh, I'm stuck living in this fascist society:  my family have been
> > flag-waving patriots since the Revolution and I am, too.  But I don't
have
> > to like the frightening course of growth the Federal Government has
taken
> > in my own lifetime.  I am a former bureaucrat and my father is a retired
> > bureaucrat, so I have a bit of inside knowledge of the vile manner in
which
> > the Government treats its charge.
> >
> > Read the US Constitution and tell me where this authorizes, for
instance,
> > "air traffic controllers" or where it requires the US government to
> > consider the adoption of firearms laws.  Tell me where, and under what
> > provision, welfare is justified.  Tell me where the Constitution
authorizes
> > the Federal Government to worry itself with whether trucks are
overweight
> > or whether the environment is healthy or not.
> >
> > Many of these ARE governmental concerns but, under our system of limited
> > Federal government, they are STATE matters and not Federal matters at
all.
> >
> > This has been forgotten by virtually every one in today's US of A, but
the
> > States are to have control of almost all of the governmental functions.
> > Read your copy of the Constitution and figure it out for yourself.
> >
> > Marc
> >
> >
> >
> > msmall@roanoke.infi.net  FAX:  +540/343-7315
> > Cha robh bas fir gun ghras fir!
>
>
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> Mark Langer
>
> Email address: mlanger@ccs.carleton.ca
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