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Subject: Re: [Leica] Country of origin
From: Roger <contaxaholic@yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2000 17:06:34 -0800 (PST)

Last I heard/read, Joseph Stalin wiped out 20,000,000
people. Including anyone else in the Communist party
that could be considered competition. Witch hunts were
the order of the day. KGB was used to hunt down guys
like Trotsky, and lure them back into Russia, all
based on Stalin's paranoia that the White Russians and
the West were plotting and scheming against him. The
KGB were given orders to infiltrate other governments,
other spy/intelligence organizations, and recruite
sympathesizers from Universities around the world.
I've only recently started reading it, but it's a real
eye opener. Written by an ex-KGB dude who is a real
whistleblower, and he made notes and copies of KGB
files going back decades. You can read about it in a
fascinating book: 

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0465003109/o/qid=975978268/sr=2-1/002-0890966-9044036

My big question is not whether any of these facts are
in dispute or not. It's with the crumbling of Russia,
what are these guys doing now? I mean, if all that's
on their resume is working for the KGB, where do they
go for a new job? 


- --- "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net> wrote:
> And further, Horst et. al, while I agree with you
> entirely about your view of Hitler
> and the Germans during the National Socialist
> period, before blithely writing off as
> comparatively petty the crimes of monsters such as
> Stalin, Mao ad Pol Pot, I would
> urge you to browse through a fascinating book called
> The Black Book of Communism.
> You'll learn that in terms of numbers of victims,
> Herr Hitler was a piker - and I am
> NOT in any way saying "he wasn't all that bad." What
> I am saying is that for various
> reasons we have never quite recognized the horror
> perpetrated by some other regimes
> on their own peoples.
> 
> B. D.
> 
> aruby@rci.rutgers.edu wrote:
> 
> > on 12/3/00 10:56 PM, A.H.SCHMIDT at
> horsts@primus.com.au wrote:
> >
> > >> Krechtz@aol.com wrote:
> > >
> > >> I suppose we can make room for a few neo-Nazis.
> > >
> > >> Joe Sobel
> > >
> > > People who write this, have no idea what they
> are talking about. They have no
> > > idea what the Nazi regime was. It was the most
> evil ,sadistic and miserable
> > > collection of people ever assembled. It made
> others with similar ideals look
> > > like
> > > stark beginners. Be it Attilla the Hun,  Stalin
> or Pol Pot. None of them could
> > > compete with the atrocities the Nazis managed to
> inflict on to other people.
> > > The
> > > only ones who really know what nazism as
> practiced by Hitler's mob meant,
> > > where
> > > the victims. Remember, there was nothing  even
> slightly good about this
> > > regime.
> > > All the idiots who list  so called achievements
> like the Autobahn, the rockets
> > > etc., don't want to admit, or are to stupid to
> realize,  that this was only
> > > done
> > > to create more and faster mayhem.
> > > Any positive or light hearted reference to this
> regime shows total ignorance.
> > >
> > > Regards, Horst Schmidt
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Unfortuantely, Horst, you're wrong. The Nazis were
> just a bunch of ordinary
> > Germans, ie, just like anyone else. To claim that
> they were anything more or
> > less is to beg for it to happen again. Besides,
> the holocaust perpetrated by
> > the Nazis was neither the most lethal nor the most
> terrible; history, sadly
> > 20th century history in particular has amply
> demonstrated that fact.
> >
> > Aaron
> 


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