Re: [Leica] Country of origin

["B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>]

What's particularly chilling is not the straight "political murders," but the internal ethnic
cleansing and the deaths of 10s of millions by starvation as a result of the forced
collectivism.......

Roger wrote:

> Last I heard/read, Joseph Stalin wiped out 20,000,000
> people. Including anyone else in the Communist party
> that could be considered competition. Witch hunts were
> the order of the day. KGB was used to hunt down guys
> like Trotsky, and lure them back into Russia, all
> based on Stalin's paranoia that the White Russians and
> the West were plotting and scheming against him. The
> KGB were given orders to infiltrate other governments,
> other spy/intelligence organizations, and recruite
> sympathesizers from Universities around the world.
> I've only recently started reading it, but it's a real
> eye opener. Written by an ex-KGB dude who is a real
> whistleblower, and he made notes and copies of KGB
> files going back decades. You can read about it in a
> fascinating book:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0465003109/o/qid=975978268/sr=2-1/002-0890966-9044036
>
> My big question is not whether any of these facts are
> in dispute or not. It's with the crumbling of Russia,
> what are these guys doing now? I mean, if all that's
> on their resume is working for the KGB, where do they
> go for a new job?
>
> --- "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > And further, Horst et. al, while I agree with you
> > entirely about your view of Hitler
> > and the Germans during the National Socialist
> > period, before blithely writing off as
> > comparatively petty the crimes of monsters such as
> > Stalin, Mao ad Pol Pot, I would
> > urge you to browse through a fascinating book called
> > The Black Book of Communism.
> > You'll learn that in terms of numbers of victims,
> > Herr Hitler was a piker - and I am
> > NOT in any way saying "he wasn't all that bad." What
> > I am saying is that for various
> > reasons we have never quite recognized the horror
> > perpetrated by some other regimes
> > on their own peoples.
> >
> > B. D.
> >
> > aruby@rci.rutgers.edu wrote:
> >
> > > on 12/3/00 10:56 PM, A.H.SCHMIDT at
> > horsts@primus.com.au wrote:
> > >
> > > >> Krechtz@aol.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I suppose we can make room for a few neo-Nazis.
> > > >
> > > >> Joe Sobel
> > > >
> > > > People who write this, have no idea what they
> > are talking about. They have no
> > > > idea what the Nazi regime was. It was the most
> > evil ,sadistic and miserable
> > > > collection of people ever assembled. It made
> > others with similar ideals look
> > > > like
> > > > stark beginners. Be it Attilla the Hun,  Stalin
> > or Pol Pot. None of them could
> > > > compete with the atrocities the Nazis managed to
> > inflict on to other people.
> > > > The
> > > > only ones who really know what nazism as
> > practiced by Hitler's mob meant,
> > > > where
> > > > the victims. Remember, there was nothing  even
> > slightly good about this
> > > > regime.
> > > > All the idiots who list  so called achievements
> > like the Autobahn, the rockets
> > > > etc., don't want to admit, or are to stupid to
> > realize,  that this was only
> > > > done
> > > > to create more and faster mayhem.
> > > > Any positive or light hearted reference to this
> > regime shows total ignorance.
> > > >
> > > > Regards, Horst Schmidt
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Unfortuantely, Horst, you're wrong. The Nazis were
> > just a bunch of ordinary
> > > Germans, ie, just like anyone else. To claim that
> > they were anything more or
> > > less is to beg for it to happen again. Besides,
> > the holocaust perpetrated by
> > > the Nazis was neither the most lethal nor the most
> > terrible; history, sadly
> > > 20th century history in particular has amply
> > demonstrated that fact.
> > >
> > > Aaron
> >
>
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