Re: [Leica] Journalism, altered photo's, and other ethical debates

["Rob Appleby" <rob@robertappleby.com>]

You know, BD, this is exactly the sort of response I'd expect from you.

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From: "B. D. Colen" <bdcolen@earthlink.net>
To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 6:48 PM
Subject: RE: [Leica] Journalism, altered photo's, and other ethical debates


> Your statement makes your position very clear; and given the position
> you're espousing, I'd say that the cards are up your sleeve, not "on the
> table." ;-)
> 
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> [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Rob
> Appleby
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> debates
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> 
> Just stating what I think BD. It might be different to sanitise the
> reporting of a defensive war.
> 
> Of course, Chomsky is an activist/writer. I'm not afraid to state my
> position -as I said throughout this thread, I'd rather get it out into
> the open. I don't like cards under the table.
> 
> -- Rob
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> To: <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 3:33 PM
> Subject: RE: [Leica] Journalism, altered photo's, and other ethical
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> 
> > What does "a war of aggression" have to do with it? It's unacceptable,
> 
> > period. Or are you suggesting that if the girl was, say, an American 
> > diplomat's daughter in Iraq, and her legs had been blown off by 
> > "patriotic Iraqi resistance fighters," it would be acceptable to crop 
> > the photo because it was a justifiable, defensive action against an 
> > aggressor?
> >
> > The problem in all this is that when we start modifying basic 
> > standards depending upon the politics of a situation, whatever 'truth'
> 
> > there is flies out the window.
> >
> > And, btw, by calling anything by Chomsky - an unquestionably brilliant
> 
> > guy - a 'seminal text,' one is making as much of a political statement
> 
> > as one would be making if one called Das Kapital a cogent analysis of 
> > modern economics. ;-)
> >
> > B. D.
> >
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> > From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Rob 
> > Appleby
> > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 2:17 AM
> > To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Journalism, altered photo's, and other ethical 
> > debates
> >
> >
> > I think in the conext of a sanitised presentation of an war of 
> > aggression, that would count as unacceptable.
> >
> > -- Rob
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> > From: "Eric Welch" <eric@jphotog.com>
> > To: "Leicalist" <leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
> > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 7:12 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Journalism, altered photo's, and other ethical 
> > debates
> >
> >
> > > on 11/6/03 9:32 PM, Phong at phong@doan-ltd.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > Speaking of cropping, a few months ago there was
> > > > a photo of bombing victims in Iraq where you see
> > > > a older man carrying in his arms a girl who appears unconcious or 
> > > > dead.  All the copies in the US that I saw of the photo had it 
> > > > cropped so that you don't see that her leg(s) were blown away and 
> > > > she was completely maimed.  Cropping in this case would appear 
> > > > "dishonest".
> > >
> > > How do you know it was cropped? Did you see her maimed legs in 
> > > non-US publications? Editors tend to go with their reader's tastes. 
> > > It's hardly dishonest to crop. It's editorial judgment. The act of 
> > > photographing as
> > has
> > > been said here, is selectively cropping from real life anyway. If 
> > > the
> > point
> > > of the photo was her legs, then maybe it wasn't a good decision to 
> > > crop,
> > but
> > > it's hardly dishonest because readers understand there is a world 
> > > outside the borders of the photo.
> > >
> > > Eric Welch
> > > Carlsbad, CA
> > > http://www.jphotog.com
> > >
> > > "Where books are burned in the end people will burned, too."  
> > > Heinrich
> > Heine
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