Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2004/03/01

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Subject: Re: [Leica] Buyer beware: follow up open letter
From: Jerry Lehrer <jerryleh@pacbell.net>
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 19:02:31 -0800
References: <000001c3fff7$8ea8d4a0$880fe640@corp.nortel.com>

Vick

If you read his two notes to the seller, you would see that eBay was
not involved at all.  He bought it on the LUG, from one of us.

He cannot involve the police, because he would have to divulge the
sellers name.  Shock! Horror!

Have you never bought anything from a member of the LUG?

Jerry

Vick Ko wrote:

> Mark, I am concerned that you are having this much difficulty with this
> matter.  I take risks buying on ebay, but I (so far) absolutely trust
> the LUG members if I were ever to buy from one.
>
> Have you taken this up with the police in the city that the person lives
> in?
>
> If this was a fraudulent sale, perhaps you can have the legal
> authorities help.
>
> By the way, I am curious to know what items are on the camera that
> indicate that it is not an original black M3.  Is it possible for you to
> share that with us?
>
> Good luck with this.
>
> regards,
> Vick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Mark
> Theken
> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 8:12 PM
> To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us
> Cc: derleicaman@yahoo.com
> Subject: [Leica] Buyer beware: follow up open letter
>
> Dear Xxxxxxx:
> It is disappointing that I have not received any
> response from you following my numerous attempts to
> bring resolution to my request for a refund for our
> recent transaction.  Even my request for a sales
> receipt has not been acknowledged by you.
> My email message to you this morning was returned
> undelivered.  It is very difficult to understand why
> an honest person acting in good faith would suddenly
> close an email account and effectively eliminate that
> avenue for communication.  The only remaining option
> is to once again use the LUG as a bulletin board to
> send a message you.
> As you know, I contacted you within 24 hours of
> receiving the camera and expressed my concern that the condition of the
> camera was possibly not original and as represented.  You offered
> several explanations in your email message to me that followed.  Based
> upon your long term association and reputation with the LUG, I requested
> that you provide documentation of the independent verification you cited
> in your earlier email message to me.
> In the delayed email message that followed,
> <<from your message:  "Sorry for the long delay in
> responding. I had several significant computer
> problems since Sunday">>
> you admitted that you had nothing in writing and the
> only verification of authenticity was in a past
> telephone conversation with an unnamed person.  After
> being delayed for several days due to your computer
> problems, I began my attempt to seek independent
> confirmation of the information you published in your
> original LUG post which follows:
> <<"Black Leica M3 #993xxx,
> guaranteed Wetzlar factory paint, $$$$
> Please contact me directly for price and details.
> Serious inquiries only".>>
> At my request, 3 expert collectors and dealers
> examined this camera alongside 2 known original black
> paint M3 cameras and verified my suspicion that the M3
> camera I purchased from you was not a original factory production camera
> as described in your FS listing.
> They also indicated that the differences would be
> difficult to ascertain by even the most knowledgeable
> Leica experts.
> It is my feeling that you made an unfortunate error in
> your LUG FS listing.  I also my feeling it is in your
> best interest to resolve the problem that resulted
> immediately.  Members of both the LUG and the LHSA
> have offered to intercede on your behalf.  I am
> hopeful you will choose to resolve this matter in a
> way that any member of the Leica community would
> expect of you.
> Sincerely,
> Mark Theken
>
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Replies: Reply from Allen Graves <ahgraves@prodigy.net> (Re: [Leica] Buyer beware: follow up open letter)
Reply from Dan C <leicaman@sympatico.ca> (Re: [Leica] Buyer beware: follow up open letter)
In reply to: Message from "Vick Ko" <vick.ko@sympatico.ca> (RE: [Leica] Buyer beware: follow up open letter)