Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2004/03/01
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Jerry I keep all my "for sale" emails as a quick reference for prices. The poster is a VERY regular poster to this group. This whole sordid mess makes eBay look good if it is true. A quick search of the archives for the serial # should lead you to the seller. I am impressed by Mark's integrity to this point. I have never had problems of any kind with a seller on this group. I hope this can all be resolved in a satisfactory manner. I think that Mark has been really understanding so far. A lot of us would have been out back sighting in the .45. That as yet may be appropriate. [smiley] Allen >Vick > >If you read his two notes to the seller, you would see that eBay was >not involved at all. He bought it on the LUG, from one of us. > >He cannot involve the police, because he would have to divulge the >sellers name. Shock! Horror! > >Have you never bought anything from a member of the LUG? > >Jerry > >Vick Ko wrote: > >> Mark, I am concerned that you are having this much difficulty with this >> matter. I take risks buying on ebay, but I (so far) absolutely trust >> the LUG members if I were ever to buy from one. >> >> Have you taken this up with the police in the city that the person lives >> in? >> >> If this was a fraudulent sale, perhaps you can have the legal >> authorities help. >> >> By the way, I am curious to know what items are on the camera that >> indicate that it is not an original black M3. Is it possible for you to >> share that with us? >> >> Good luck with this. >> >> regards, >> Vick >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us >> [mailto:owner-leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us] On Behalf Of Mark >> Theken >> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 8:12 PM >> To: leica-users@mejac.palo-alto.ca.us >> Cc: derleicaman@yahoo.com >> Subject: [Leica] Buyer beware: follow up open letter >> >> Dear Xxxxxxx: >> It is disappointing that I have not received any >> response from you following my numerous attempts to >> bring resolution to my request for a refund for our >> recent transaction. Even my request for a sales >> receipt has not been acknowledged by you. >> My email message to you this morning was returned >> undelivered. It is very difficult to understand why >> an honest person acting in good faith would suddenly >> close an email account and effectively eliminate that >> avenue for communication. The only remaining option >> is to once again use the LUG as a bulletin board to >> send a message you. >> As you know, I contacted you within 24 hours of >> receiving the camera and expressed my concern that the condition of the >> camera was possibly not original and as represented. You offered >> several explanations in your email message to me that followed. Based >> upon your long term association and reputation with the LUG, I requested >> that you provide documentation of the independent verification you cited >> in your earlier email message to me. >> In the delayed email message that followed, >> <<from your message: "Sorry for the long delay in >> responding. I had several significant computer >> problems since Sunday">> >> you admitted that you had nothing in writing and the >> only verification of authenticity was in a past >> telephone conversation with an unnamed person. After >> being delayed for several days due to your computer >> problems, I began my attempt to seek independent >> confirmation of the information you published in your >> original LUG post which follows: >> <<"Black Leica M3 #993xxx, >> guaranteed Wetzlar factory paint, $$$$ >> Please contact me directly for price and details. >> Serious inquiries only".>> >> At my request, 3 expert collectors and dealers >> examined this camera alongside 2 known original black >> paint M3 cameras and verified my suspicion that the M3 >> camera I purchased from you was not a original factory production camera >> as described in your FS listing. >> They also indicated that the differences would be >> difficult to ascertain by even the most knowledgeable > > Leica experts. >> It is my feeling that you made an unfortunate error in >> your LUG FS listing. I also my feeling it is in your >> best interest to resolve the problem that resulted >> immediately. Members of both the LUG and the LHSA >> have offered to intercede on your behalf. I am >> hopeful you will choose to resolve this matter in a >> way that any member of the Leica community would >> expect of you. >> Sincerely, >> Mark Theken >> >> __________________________________ >> Do you Yahoo!? >> Get better spam protection with Yahoo! Mail. >> http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools >> -- >> To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html > >-- >To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html - -- To unsubscribe, see http://mejac.palo-alto.ca.us/leica-users/unsub.html