Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2004/11/24
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Actually, Simon, I don't, because for all our back and forth about the uses of Leica equipment, your fascination with things such as micro detail, etc., you certainly have a better handle than I on the ultimate capability of the lenses. :-) -----Original Message----- From: lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org [mailto:lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of animal Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 5:09 PM To: Leica Users Group Subject: Re: [Leica] Re: Nikon's profits tripled Yes from what i found and thought looked thorough they do. They also seem to agree that the other qualities of the leica lenses do show things like brilliance whatever i,m sure u know that a lot better then i do. > The reason most studios are using the 22 mp backs has to do with the > fact that they are trying to replicate fine grain 2 1/4 and 4x5 film > with digital... > > As to what Mr. Puts stated...many a naked eye can't tell the > difference between a negative or image produced with a Leica lens and > a top quality Canon or Nikon lens, so why should a scanner? And do > other reviewers/critics make the same statement, or only those who, > like Mr. Puts, do contract work for Leica? ;-) > > -----Original Message----- > From: lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org > [mailto:lug-bounces+bdcolen=earthlink.net@leica-users.org] On Behalf > Of animal > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:35 PM > To: Leica Users Group > Subject: Re: [Leica] Re: Nikon's profits tripled > > > Thanks for your quick reply. > The reason i asked is that most sources say that 4000 is not enough > for maximum resolution. I believe reading somewhere mr. Puts stated > that a 4000 dpi scanner is not even able to show the difference in > resolution between a leica lens or anyother big name brand . The only > film i scanned without a lot of noise on my scanner was techpan > sofar.Going to attempt copex this week. I have seen scans from the > latest Epson flatbed that look about the same as mine on the Nikon but > with 4 strips at once.And 4 large format negs.That should save a lot > of time. Is your 5000 a lot faster then the 4000? I agree ,again from > crude tests that 10 mp should have more or less the same resolution > for handheld shots with longer lenses. But on a tripod and with a high > end scanner that cannot be so. Why else would most studios that have > gone digital use 22 Mp backs? Best simon jessurun,amsterdam > > > Hi Simon, > > I scan at the native resolution of my Nikon 8000 scanner, 4000dpi. > > At this scan rate I get pretty hideous grain aliasing on fast print > > film but nice scans from slides. The 8000 produced noticeably better > > scans than the 4000 which has nominally the same spec. I have no > > idea why. The biggest prints I have from digital are A3 plus. Frank > > > > On 23 Nov, 2004, at 19:37, animal wrote: > > > > > I,m curious what scanner did you use and and at what > > > resolutions(which?)? Crude tests i did show that my scanner > > > (nikon) is not able to get all detail out of slide or fine grained > > > film. The detail i can see on a lightbox with a high powered loupe > > > thingy. The noise i get when scanning at high resolutions is not > > > visible in the film > > > . > > > best,simon jessurun,amsterdam > > > > > >> The thing is Rick the fact that you have scanned the film at > > >> 6144x4096 pixels does not mean that there is meaningful data at > > >> this resolution. In absurdam if the frame was a uniform colour a > > >> scan of 1 pixel and a scan of 6144x4096 pixels will contain the > > >> same data and would be equivalent. I have not found 35mm print > > >> film > > > >> to have more data on it than my 6 megapixel Canon, whatever scan > > >> resolution I chose to use. My scans from slides have been better > > >> but not hugely so. I am entirely prepared to believe, based on my > > >> own experience of prints > > >> from scanned 35mm film and digital SLRs that the 10megapixel R back > > >> will equal 35mm film in resolution. I have heard all the pseudo > > >> technical absurdities about huge sampling rates but none of it > > >> actually > > >> agrees with my actual experience of producing my own prints. > > >> Frank > > >> > > >> > > >> On 23 Nov, 2004, at 00:16, Rick Dykstra wrote: > > >> > > >>> Hi Alistair. You've posed exactly the question I've asked of > > >>> Leica, though no response yet. > > >>> > > >>> The lab I use does high end scans (though not the highest - were > > >>> not talking drum scans here) which are 6144 x 4096 pixels and > > >>> around 75 to 100 MB in size (depending on the variety of colours > > >>> I > > > >>> suppose). I get > > >>> these printed to 20 x 30 inch. The DMR sensor is 3872 x 2576. > > >>> So how can this sensor make images reproduced at 20 x 30 in of > > >>> the same clarity as film scanned to 6144 x 4096? And I could > > >>> get these trannies drum scanned to even higher standards. > > >>> > > >>> I'm not knocking the DMR - I want one or two - but will it be as > > >>> good as my Velvia? I can't see how. Again, not necessarily a > > >>> problem, I just need to know before I spend the money. :-) > > >>> I've also heard it will be upgradeable and that's good. Any > > >>> comments on this? > > >>> > > >>> Rick Dykstra, Australia > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On 22/11/2004, at 1:50 PM, firkin wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> Feli di Giorgio writes: > > >>>>> I would be very happy with a 10-12MP full frame camera. > > >>>>> Manageable file sizes, DOF of a 135, low noise at high ASA, > > >>>>> due to the large size of individual receptors. I really don't > > >>>>> need 20MP for what I do... > > >>>> > > >>>> The immediate question is what do you do that requires 10 to > > >>>> 12. I mean this seriously, not as a jibe or insult. My mind > > >>>> tell me that 10 to 12 seems about right, because I suspect > > >>>> (never tried and therefore don't know) that you could print 16 > > >>>> x 20 at about this level with 35mm happiness. Barry Thornton > > >>>> claimed that only really "lucky" > good > > >>>> 35mm negs could produce "perfect" images larger than about 10 x > 14 > > >>>> (I > > >>>> think) I remember thinking "I've got larger ones" but then > thinking > > >>>> but they are not all "perfect", so he may be right. Like many, > > >>>> I suspect I've been too worried about making big enlargements, > > >>>> when smaller well crafted images would be "better" > and > > >>>> store much more easily !!!!! > > >>>> This brings me back to my nagging question; will todays good > > >>>> film scanners "match" a 10 mega pixel dedicated digital camera > > >>>> when > you > > >>>> view moderately large images side by side? > > >>>> Alastair Firkin @ work ;-) > > >>>> http://www.afirkin.com > > >>>> http://www.familyofman2.com > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> Leica Users Group. > > >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > information > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> Leica Users Group. > > >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > > >>> information > > >>> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Leica Users Group. > > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > > >> information > > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Leica Users Group. > > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > > > information > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information _______________________________________________ Leica Users Group. 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