Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2004/12/29
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]At one point in his career, Muhammed Ali was probably the most recognized person on the face of the Earth. EVERYONE knew of him. And as Muhammed Ali, not as Cassius Clay. Since you live outside of the USA, perhaps you don't recall the terribly racist attitudes people had of him when he changed his name, how sports writers would refuse to acknowledge his new name. To hear someone now call him "Cassius Clay" is jarring to my ears, similar to hearing someone refer to an African American as a "Negro" in 2004. And it is more than an analogy. As far as Willi Brandt goes, was Herbert Frahn his earlier name? If so, why bring it up? -dan c. At 03:28 PM 29-12-04 +0100, Douglas M. Sharp wrote: >Dan, >I was amazed to find that a lot of people under 30 outside the USA, where a lot >of people are, including myself, have never heard of either. I do not insist on >calling him by the name he was given at birth, neither do I insist on calling >the late German chancellor Willi Brandt, Herbert Frahn. If we write >assuming >that everyone else knows exactly the same as we do, then OK. >As long as information is not embedded in verbal or written noise (see the >RUG-list for a particularly good of this) I will try to express clearly >and >without ambiguity whatever I hope to communicate. >cheers >Douglas >In navigation you don't know where you are with only one coordinate either. > >Dan C wrote: > >> I'm amazed that there are still some people who insist on calling the man, >> "Cassius Clay". >> >> -dan c. >> >> At 12:56 PM 29-12-04 +0100, Douglas M. Sharp wrote: >> >>>A sporting hero? who still talks about Mark Spitz or Cassius "Muhammed Ali" >>>Clay? World class - definitely - but did they change the world for all time? >>>To some extent I might be prepared to admit that Clay did manage to >> >> increase the >> >>>acceptance of Afro-Americans in US society, but no more than that. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >Leica Users Group. >See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >