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Subject: [Leica] Re: B.D. PAWS (Ted Grant)
From: tedgrant at shaw.ca (Ted Grant)
Date: Mon Apr 18 19:13:25 2005
References: <200504182335.j3INXIXh035526@server1.waverley.reid.org> <978bf7319d66ac4cde595a21d6d0350c@mindspring.com>

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ric Carter" <ricc@mindspring.com>
To: <lug@leica-users.org>
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 5:34 PM
Subject: [Leica] Re: B.D. PAWS (Ted Grant)


>I don't want to awaken a sleeping dragon here, but...
> 
> I don't understand how a "drunken unfortunate lying in the gutter" is 
> any different from the subject of any other still life posted here.
> 
> Visually speaking:
> Poorly done is just poorly done.
> Artfully done, it might well better the many "family member across the 
> dinner table" snap shots we so often post here.
> 
> 
> Socially speaking:
> "No bums?"
> Are we denying the wino or bum the ability to make his own decisions 
> and his own humanity, or are we merely sweeping aside a group of people 
> we are not comfortable seeing?
> Do we see ourselves as taking advantage of subjects incapable of 
> defending themselves? Personal preferences and taste aside, I fail to 
> see the essential photo subject difference between a sleeping infant 
> and a bum in the gutter. At times they match each other even in odor.
> 
> Forthwith:
> Week 15
> 
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/PAW-2005/Week_15
> 
> I don't know if he is drunk and homeless passed out or a student 
> napping before his bus to his next class.
> 
> Maybe you can tell me.
> 
> Ric Carter
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 18, 2005, at 7:35 PM, lug-request@leica-users.org wrote:
> 
>> B. D. Colen showed:
>> Subject: RE: [Leica] B.D. PAWS
>>
>>
>>> Thanks so much...I realize I'm violating the Kyle Cassidy "no bums" 
>>> rule
>>> - which I enforce in my class!:-) - but rules are made to be broken...
>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/B-D-COLEN-PAW/ALDO
>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/B-D-COLEN-PAW/FU<<<<<<<<<
>>
>> Hi B.D.,
>> Works for me as a caught moment in the life of a street dweller. And 
>> that's
>> in both pictures, last year and this year. Both unique captured 
>> moments.
>>
>> As far as violating the code of "no bums?"  Like any rule, they are 
>> made for
>> modification under certain conditions, which in this case is OK.. At 
>> least
>> he appears alive and not a drunken unfortunate lying in the gutter 
>> with an
>> empty bottle. :-(
>>
>> Now those type of pictures are off limits, as it's like shooting fish 
>> in a
>> barrel and points out the photographer has no real talent other than
>> shooting unconscious humans.
>>
>> ted
> 
> 
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