Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2006/01/15

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Subject: Quality/size ratio and digital - Re: [Leica] re: digital treadmill
From: scott at adrenaline.com (Scott McLoughlin)
Date: Sun Jan 15 20:29:51 2006
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Makes sense to me. What doesn't make sense is why more companies
aren't then manufacturing more sensors.  Business abhors a vacuum, as
it were.  Certainly in other areas of semiconductor design and fabrication
(and associated supporting chipsets, firmware and the like) there is no
shortage of companies - and plenty of venture capital to start new ones.

What is the $$ volume of the camera industry (consumer, commercial,
industrial)?  If it's relatively small, that might explain the 
differences with
the rest of the (huge) chip industry.

Scott

Don Dory wrote:

>Scott,
>Sony is trying this sort of with the R1.  It is the first of the all in
>one's to use an APS-C sensor.  Possibly a little bigger than what you asked
>for but it is a start.
>
>As an aside, one of my friends who shoots "fine art" still uses a Contax T2
>for his slice of life images.  He holds it in the palm of his hand and trips
>it with his thumb.
>
>One of the issues is that APS-C sensor production is relatively limited so
>no one has risked the "image" camera.  At some point when the sensor wars
>settle down and we have generic sensors that a manufacturer could specify
>for use in a luxury camera.  How easy life was and the choices available
>when 35mm film was still a medium of choice.
>
>Don
>don.dory@gmail.com
>
>
>On 1/15/06, Scott McLoughlin <scott@adrenaline.com> wrote:
>  
>
>>When will camera manufacturers finally begin to address this quality/size
>>ratio issue with digital cameras? In addition to Leica's, in fairly
>>recent years,
>>film technology  gave us oodles of nice, very, very high quality film P&S
>>cameras from many manufacturers- you know, Contax T3's, Leica CM's
>>and the like (pic your favorite).
>>
>>Yet we still don't have pocketable digicams (AF or RF ) with big APS or
>>larger sensors and world class, reasonably fast fixed focal length optics.
>>Heck, my first "real camera" Canonet I received as a 12 year old  had a
>>f1.7 lens or so, IIRC.
>>
>>Yeah, a  very high quality small digital camera will not be a "Best Buy"
>>kind
>>of mass market camera, but then neither were the very high quality small
>>film cameras.  But if there was a market for the quality small film
>>cameras,
>>why not with digital?
>>
>>Scott
>>
>>Jonathan Borden wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>What keeps me with the M6 (at least for the next year) is a couple of
>>>factors:
>>>
>>>1) the quality/size ratio -- you can compare an M6/film image against
>>>a DSLR but compact digital cameras don't really approach the image
>>>quality of an M6 and film.
>>>
>>>      
>>>
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Replies: Reply from dennis at hale-pohaku.com (Dennis Painter) (Quality/size ratio and digital - Re: [Leica] re: digital treadmill)
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Message from jonathan at openhealth.org (Jonathan Borden) ([Leica] re: digital treadmill)
Message from scott at adrenaline.com (Scott McLoughlin) (Quality/size ratio and digital - Re: [Leica] re: digital treadmill)
Message from don.dory at gmail.com (Don Dory) (Quality/size ratio and digital - Re: [Leica] re: digital treadmill)