[Leica] Twin Towers

[gregj.lorenzo at shaw.ca (GREG LORENZO)]

Henning knows of what he speaks.

As Sigmund said 'sometimes a Cigar is just a Cigar'.

Regards,

Greg

----- Original Message -----
From: Walt Johnson <walt@waltjohnson.com>
Date: Friday, June 23, 2006 1:51 pm
Subject: Re: [Leica] Twin Towers

> Henning
> 
> You can logic chop it to death but try to explain it. Both towers 
> within 
> minutes and from  different impacts? Try an unsimplistic analysis 
> on us 
> just for kicks but lay off the earthquakes and other very 
> unrelated 
> events. Any time there is a disaster the nut cases float to the 
> top and 
> scream government cover-up. There is a world of difference between 
> a 
> successful cover-up and spoon feeding the population their morning 
> dose 
> of stupid cereal.  But given the list of failed cover up just in 
> my 
> lifetime could we be faulted for mistrusting the official line?
> 
> Walt
> 
> Henning Wulff wrote:
> 
> >> In a message dated 6/23/06 4:36:53 AM, lug-request@leica-
> users.org 
> >> writes:
> >>
> >>
> >>>  I was amazed at how fast they both came down. Plane crash or 
> no, there
> >>>  is something not quite kosher about the twin and simultaneous 
> >>> collapse.
> >>>
> >>>  Walt
> >>>  -----------------------
> >>
> >> The architect in charge of construction admitted on TV that 
> they 
> >> failed to
> >> encase the center utilities column, in concrete. They used 
> drywall. 
> >> The plane
> >> shot right through the entire building. There was nothing to 
> stop it. 
> >> Yep, they
> >> cut corners and there was no municipal or state law to compel 
> them to 
> >> spend
> >> the money and take the time to do the job right.
> >>
> >> Bob
> >
> >
> > As an architect I have to say that is both a silly and 
> definitely a 
> > simplistic analysis.
> >
> > The towers were not designed for such an impact, and certainly 
> had no 
> > reason to be.
> >
> > You can never design any building to withstand all disasters. 
> You can 
> > not design it both because the depth of knowledge does not exist 
> nor 
> > does the imagination exist, the technology and construction 
> methods do 
> > not exist, and, most importantly, you cannot afford to by orders 
> of 
> > magnitude.
> >
> > If a serious earthquake hits the central US (and it will, just 
> like it 
> > has in the past) tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands 
> of 
> > lives will be lost. If an earthquake of the magnitude of the '64 
> > Alaska quake hit Vancouver (and it will), tens of thousands of 
> lives 
> > will be lost.
> >
> > These are disasters we can imagine, and that will happen. We 
> don't 
> > know when, but they will. We have the technology to prepare for 
> them 
> > and to design for them, but the standards don't force the 
> construction 
> > of buildings that will truly resist these disasters, because a) 
> we 
> > cannot afford them - again, we are talking of orders of 
> magnitude, not 
> > 2x or 5x the cost- and b) everything around them, the whole 
> > infrastructure, is gone so to have a building withstand them is 
> almost 
> > pointless.
> >
> > We make choices, based on our knowledge, technologies, economic 
> > abilities and lifespan timelines. These are not irrational 
> choices, 
> > but it does mean that every once in a while something bites us. 
> We 
> > learn a bit each time, but just as we have to stop searching for 
> the 
> > perfect lens, and go out and shoot, we also have to build, live, 
> and 
> > get on with life. We definitely have to get over the 'what if' 
> > syndrome at some point.
> >
> 
> 
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