Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2006/09/03
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]another 2 cents - the whibal card is made of some thick durable resin material. The material is 'gray' through and through - IE, if it scratches, it does not matter. It is always gray. Easily pocketted and nicely made. Doesn't bend. anywho.. Eric On 9/3/06, Don Dory <don.dory@gmail.com> wrote: > > Scott, > I will dare raise the subject again. For a $100 or so dollars buy an Expo > Disc and use it for custom white balance. Use like an incident meter and > your color will fall where they should. Well built, easy to use and > consistant. You don't have to worry that your white card has gotten > grungy > or bent or isn't the correct shade of white. > > Don > don.dory@gmail.com > > > On 9/2/06, Scott McLoughlin <scott@adrenaline.com> wrote: > > > > Chris, > > > > Thanks for going through all the variables I should consider. > > > > I've taken one vivid shot, of a rusty lamp on a boat. Dunno > > why, but that captured the greenish patina where my normal > > mode didn't. > > > > I have the camera setup for Adobe RGB. That should be ok, > > right? I don't recalibrate every week, but I also use a Trinitron > > CRT that I'll calibrate every month or two. > > > > Perhaps it is a WB problem. > > > > First, generally, I'm a low contrast NPH (now 400H) kind > > of guy. And in the next few days I'll dip into my new > > stash of Sensia. NPH is more or less made for people > > pics - popular wedding film, etc. I wonder if I'm just not > > going to get that kind of look out of my DSLR "in camera." > > > > Second, while I carry around a white card, I don't use it > > nearly as much as I should (like having dental floss....) I > > have to have better habits here. I have little excuse, because > > I'm rarely a quick shooting kind of shooter. > > > > Third, now that I think of it, I use my DSLR with flash quite > > a bit - either an SB800 or especially a pair of Alien Bees 800's. > > This might present a particular kind of WB problem. > > > > But, I'm going to tweak the in camera settings a bit until > > something good happens or I get bored :-) > > > > So, now a question - how to get a good custom WB when > > using artificial lighting, either with on camera flash (or a flash > > bracket) or with studio strobes? > > > > And a comment. My brother adopted a little black girl, and > > her skin tones come out just fine. It seems I have a white > > people skin problem. > > > > Again, thanks. > > > > Scott > > > > Christopher Williams wrote: > > > > >Welcome to digital colors. Yes, Nikon and Canon have different color > > looks. > > >To me personally Nikon has more of a "film" look. I've shot both kinds > of > > >cameras and that's just my opinion, means nothing else. Fuji has come > > close > > >to great skin tones in their dSLR's but they have never achieved a > great > > >dSLR camera to use(slow focus, poor VF, bad body build). > > > > > >Most dSLR's have 3 color modes. You want to use sRGB or Abode RGB with > > skin > > >tones. Using RGB II or III is for landscape colors. Horrors if you have > > your > > >D70 or D200 on VIVID!! Shooting in NEF/RAW can keep you from constantly > > >trying to change color corrections. And do not use Auto WB(I don't care > > what > > >camera you have), try using a Custom WB whenever possible - yeah I know > > it's > > >bitch sometimes. I usually have a good 2 minutes to do this in a church > > or > > >reception hall. Some cameras allow you do store Custom WB modes so you > > can > > >save a WB in #1 for a certain church or #2 for a certain reception > hall. > > >Kind of like having different kinds of film. I'd never shoot Fuji 800 > > Press > > >for bridal portraits - who wants red skin? But it works very well in > low > > >light rooms where the skin tones may not matter as much as the overall > > >feeling of the mood. > > >There's even the ability to create a Custom Curve in your Nikon with > > Nikon > > >Capture. I have this in all my Nikons and believe me it helps later > with > > >post processing. > > > > > >Then there's the fun part of getting skin tones to look correct with > home > > >printers but that's just like at a lab where they may print with Fuji, > > Agfa > > >or Kodak paper. > > > > > >My crappy 1 cent anyway. > > > > > >Chris > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Scott McLoughlin" > > >Subject: [Leica] Skin tone - film vs. digital (not a debate) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>I've been shooting with a D70 and now a D200. > > >> > > >>I find that skin tones with film have a certain opaque > > >>quality, and a lean toward beige, that I like. I've never > > >>personally shot Kodachrome, but as a viewer, I see > > >>these qualities playing out in force. > > >> > > >>By comparison, my DSLRs seem to render skin tones > > >>with a kind of transparency and pinkness. > > >> > > >>So I find myself in color correction mode quite frequently, > > >>tweaking skin tones toward yellow on the color cube (I use > > >>PWP). > > >> > > >>Any clue as to the causes of this discrepancy? I don't mean > > >>to start a debate. The DSLR may well be more "true to life" > > >>for all I know. But I don't like it. > > >> > > >>Might this be a quality unique to Nikon DSLRs? > > >> > > >>Even better, any ideas how I might do something in camera > > >>so that I'm not goofing with color correction all the time? > > >> > > >>Thanks. > > >> > > >>Scott > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Leica Users Group. > > >See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Pics @ http://www.adrenaline.com/snaps > > Leica M6TTL, Bessa R, Nikon FM3a, Nikon D70, Rollei AFM35 > > (Jihad Sigint NSA FBI Patriot Act) > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >