Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2006/10/19

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Subject: [Leica] A Modest Proposal
From: h_arche at yahoo.com (H. Ball Arche)
Date: Thu Oct 19 17:04:22 2006

And then fed to the Vegans.

--- Buzz Hausner <buzz.hausner@verizon.net> wrote:

> Gun owners should be lined up against a wall and
> shot.
> 
>     Buzz
> 
> 
> On 10/19/06 7:38 PM, "Philip Forrest"
> <photo.forrest@earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> > I think that owning an assault rifle for home
> defense is impractical, yes.
> > However, if one believes in protecting oneself,
> family and property, law
> > enforcement doesn't do that for you.  There is no
> reason that a law abiding
> > citizen cannot responsibly own and use a firearm
> of any type (small arms
> > here, not artillery pieces & the like.)  I love
> target shooting and though I
> > don't know if it should be considered a "sport" it
> certainly requires great
> > discipline and training to be able to consistently
> and accurately place
> > shots on target.  It's just a step below golf in
> it's level of discipline
> > and ability, but much the same when it comes to
> the final goal.
> > Fear is what drives irrational decisions.  A gun
> will not shoot itself, we
> > all know this.  The only way a firearm will do
> what it's supposed to is if a
> > person operating it makes it work.  Fear is what
> needs to be overcome by
> > people who don't know anything about firearms. 
> They should be shown that a
> > firearm is just a tool, the same way that a torque
> wrench is a tool.  They
> > have very specific purposes, but both are tools
> nonetheless.
> > I have no problem with people who don't like guns,
> but for rational reasons.
> > Anti-gun folks need to come up with real and
> equitable solutions to the
> > problems they have that will WORK.  There will
> never be a United States
> > where firearm ownership is not a right, so that
> side of the gun argument
> > needs to come up with a realistic solution to the
> problems they have with
> > firearms.  The AWB proved that gun violence did
> not decrease during the 10
> > years it was effective.  10 rounds in the magazine
> or 100 rounds, it doesn't
> > matter.  Assault weapons are used in so few crimes
> as to be a blip on the
> > radar in comparison to the gun related crimes
> committed with Raven .25's or
> > other cheap guns.  The average assault weapon
> starts at about $600.  Few if
> > any criminals are going to be willing to put that
> kind of money into a
> > firearm when they could get a cheap pistol for
> $30.
> > The only way that crime with firearms is to be
> quelled is by large scale
> > changes in society.  People need to be educated
> about firearms, the law and
> > how with a lot of cooperation, we can turn the gun
> related violence around.
> > Many parents view themselves as responsible when
> teaching their children
> > about sex, birth control and parenting, right? 
> (not as many as need to be
> > though)  Why wouldn't someone want to teach a
> person how to properly and
> > safely handle a firearm?  We teach people how to
> safely drive cars every
> > day.  Still the vehicular fatality statistics in
> this country are several
> > times the gun related fatality numbers.
> > The last issue I don't like is the anti-gun group
> playing upon that very
> > fear and lack of knowledge by saying things like
> "...it might go off. Six
> > blocks away someone's family member could be
> holding their insides in their
> > hands.."  This little bit of editorial journalism
> is just what people like
> > myself don't want to read or hear.  It uses that
> fear of the unknowing to
> > suggest that there is a gun (not artillery) that a
> person could buy these
> > days, shoot, and eviscerate an innocent person a
> half mile away.  Yes,
> > people do get shot from stray rounds landing
> through their windows and
> > roofs.  This is an amazingly small number of
> people.  Most wounds are
> > superficial.  And surely, there is not a small arm
> available to the public
> > at this time that could do such a thing.  Most
> small arms up to and
> > including the .50 cal BMG only produce small,
> oblong holes at their tumbling
> > worst.  I'm not condoning any of this, of course. 
> I don't support gun
> > related violence or the wounding of innocent
> people at all, I'm just saying
> > that a bit of exaggeration, or a lot, is not a
> good thing when it comes to
> > this topic.
> > OK, I've written far too much for sure.
> > 
> > Philip
> 
> 
> 
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