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Subject: [Leica] OT: discovered Lange photos
From: walt at waltjohnson.com (Walt Johnson)
Date: Mon Nov 6 19:20:25 2006
References: <110620062057.15033.454FA1A4000E639E00003AB9221655799602019B020E9B9CD2020106@comcast.net> <454FCB60.9050507@waltjohnson.com> <A489B1A6-DBF4-432A-A75B-7BD0F7B81C7C@charter.net>

Yes, I'd heard many of the Spanish Village tales.  Ignorance is not 
always bliss, sometimes it just plain ignorance. Most often it is spoon 
feed to the populace much like what is now happening in the U.S. I 
remember being in Spain in 1974 and seeing La Guardia walking around 
town with Uzis. Having spent a few years in the Marine Corps I was quite 
familiar with weapons. The surprising thing was seeing police walking 
city streets looking as if they wanted to hose down the neighborhood. 
Now, automatic weapons are a common sight in most American cities. Times 
change.....

Of course on the other hand, maybe Smith was never really there. He 
might have faked them int the darkroom. Imagine what he could have done 
with Adobe. :-)

Walt



Slobodan Dimitrov wrote:

> For years the Spanish village of Deleitosa, photographed by W.G.  
> Smith, was not allowed to see the publication of the essay by the  
> right wing Catholic regime (oops, did I say that) of Franco. When  
> they finally did see it, they reacted in the same way, with anger at  
> being exploited.
> And yes, one can set up images like that. The press corp does it all  
> day long in the Middle East. The players will even wait for the fifth  
> estate, darn there I go again, I meant the fourth estate, to show up,  
> set up, and cook the information.
>
> Slobodan Dimitrov
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 6, 2006, at 3:55 PM, Walt Johnson wrote:
>
>> The Migrant Mother's  reaction doesn't surprise me at all. I'm sure  
>> that Lange and her entourage fed  her  and the children and even  
>> slipped her  a few dollars. Had She not been photographed that day  
>> perhaps she and her children would have missed a few more meals.   
>> One thing is for sure, I'd love to be able to set up photographs  
>> like that. :-)
>>
>> Walt
>>
>> jon.stanton@comcast.net wrote:
>>
>>> Several years ago there was a wonderful story about "Migrant  
>>> Mother" in the San Jose Metro newspaper. According to the womans  
>>> surviving children and grandchildren it was a "set-up" shot. When  
>>> someone brought up the photo to the woman she would get very angry  
>>> and say she felt exploited. A sizeable portion of the woman's  
>>> family lives in San Jose.
>>>
>>>
>>> -------------- Original message ----------------------
>>> From: Walt Johnson <walt@waltjohnson.com>
>>>
>>>> I've gone back and looked the breadline photo many times over the  
>>>> last 38 years. It is interesting to see how images can  sometimes  
>>>> just happen happen.The FSA website has quite a few different   
>>>> "Migrant Mother" photos as well as many images  by the other FSA  
>>>> shooters. .Another photographer from the FSA period who's work I  
>>>> admire is Ben Shahn. After the  project he became much more  famous 
>>>> as a painter and left-wing activist. For some reason his  work just 
>>>> strikes a chord with me.
>>>>
>>>> Walt
>>>>
>>>> Dave Mason wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Walt,
>>>>>
>>>>> That was the photo of the man holding a beat-up tin cup who is  
>>>>> facing
>>>>> the opposite way from another group of men - yes? What an amazing
>>>>> image. I believe I saw an alternate version of that photo taken  
>>>>> with a
>>>>> more straight-on point-of-view and the photo loses almost all the
>>>>> power of the original. Same with the famous "Migrant Mother" shot -
>>>>> there are many alternates to that one which are great to see for  the
>>>>> photography lesson contained within.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> Walt Johnson <walt@waltjohnson.com> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I recently came across a copy of /*An American Exodus*/ by  Lange 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> her husband. Paperback, printed in 1969 and a bit battered but a
>>>>>> fantastic document. Cost me all of $3.00. As far as the interment
>>>>>> images being dark and disturbing? At the time many Americans  
>>>>>> probably
>>>>>> wanted to do the same to the Japanese Americans we will shortly  
>>>>>> do to
>>>>>> Saddam. The internment camps were, in my opinion, completely
>>>>>> unjustified but sometimes truth is dark and disturbing, Lange  
>>>>>> seemed
>>>>>> to seek out truth as Kyle does gun nuts. She did an image I can  
>>>>>> close
>>>>>> my eyes and see called /*White Angel Breadline*/. Don't know if  
>>>>>> you're
>>>>>> familiar  with it or not but well worth a look.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dave Mason wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/ymw9sk
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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