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Subject: [Leica] Canon G7 a no-go: Better the Leica D-Lux(but which one??)
From: raimo.m.korhonen at uusikaupunki.fi (Raimo K)
Date: Tue Nov 7 13:24:14 2006
References: <C175EFC0.A79%jackmclain@hughes.net> <3B6B92BE-50E6-44FD-9C67-3737519100A8@nathanfoto.com>

Too big. I am used to Pentax Optio SV - just had 2 images publishes along my 
story in a motorcycling magazine.
All the best!
Raimo K
Personal photography homepage at:
http://www.uusikaupunki.fi/~raikorho


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Nathan Wajsman" <nathan@nathanfoto.com>
To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Leica] Canon G7 a no-go: Better the Leica D-Lux(but which 
one??)


> Hi Jack,
>
> I made the switch from analog to digital two years ago. Like many  others, 
> I still shoot the occasional roll of film. I think that if  your frame of 
> reference is Leica M and street photography, then you  will not be happy 
> with any point-and-shoot, especially if you also  like to take pictures in 
> low light.
>
> Sure, some P&S's are better than others, but all of them feature a  tiny 
> sensor which will result in noisy images at anything over ISO  400, 
> especially if the manufacturer has crammed 8 or 10 megapixels  onto this 
> tiny sensor. You will also have to deal with shutter lag,  the absence of 
> a viewfinder or a viewfinder that is worse than even  that on screw-mount 
> Leicas, and a whole bunch of other compromises.
>
> Obviously, the easy option is just to get the M8 now that it is out,  but 
> I understand that you don't have a spare $5K lying around--most  of us 
> don't. But if you want a digital camera that will give you a  shooting 
> experience close to a film camera, then I would suggest one  of the 
> Olympus SLRs. You will not pay much more than you would for a  high-end 
> P&S, and you will be getting much more of a camera than with  a P&S in a 
> size not much bigger than an M6.
>
> Nathan
>
> On 7-nov-2006, at 16:09, Jack McLain wrote:
>
>> Thanks all for the thoughts and suggestions regarding the usability  of 
>> the
>> G7 camera. With the lens being so-so and the other issues that have  been
>> raised, it's off the list.
>>
>> I am suffering real camera purchase angst. I've been a very  traditional
>> develop-and-print-your-own guy for a long time, and have always glibly
>> dismissed the digital world off-hand.  Now I am paying the price for
>> studiously ignoring the technology. I pick up one of these digital  point 
>> and
>> shoots and have no clue even how to turn them on (or is the proper  term
>> "power them up"?). I bought my wife a little Olympus P+S and could  offer 
>> her
>> no advice; very frustrating for someone who considers himself a
>> "photographer".
>>
>> I realize the disdain most serious enthusiasts have for the "what  camera
>> should I buy" question when posed by the neophyte, but I beg your 
>> indulgence
>> for an old-fart guy who was shooting a Leica and printing TriX 35  years 
>> ago.
>> I stand before y'all with head bowed and hat in hand, and hope for  some
>> photo-wisdom.
>>
>> I've been surfing the camera sites, reviews, etc, and am now  leaning 
>> heavily
>> in the direction of the Leica D lux. (I mean it IS a Leica of sorts...
>> Right?)
>>
>> The new D lux 3 model seems to be selling over it's MSRP, even on  eBay. 
>> The
>> comparable Panasonic model, which the Leica is based on, is  available 
>> and
>> for significantly less money. I am not clear on what exactly (other  than 
>> a
>> Photoshop-lite software package), makes the Leica a better choice 
>> between
>> the two.
>>
>> There are several near new or new D Lux 2 models in the  ~$400 - $500 
>> range
>> on eBay and other venues. Is the D-Lux 2, while "only" sporting 8 Mega
>> pixels, a good choice at that price point? Is the D Lux 3 so much more
>> advanced, or a better user (in classic street candid photography)  that 
>> the
>> premium price is a no-brainer?
>>
>>
>> My best regards
>> Jack
>>
>> Jack McLain
>> http://jackmclain-photography.siteframe.org/
>>
>> In the desert near Maricopa, Arizona
>> "But It's a Dry Heat!"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/5/06 10:01 AM, "Will von Dauster" <vondauster@earthlink.net> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Jack, the G7 is a decent point and shoot camera. In my opinion, a
>>> better choice might be the A640, which is 10 MP, has a better lens in
>>> my experience, and offers the advantage that it uses AA batteries -
>>> rechargables are best, of course, but off the shelf ones in an
>>> emergency. The A series do not allow raw capture, but again in my
>>> experience do a very good job of internal conversion to jpeg. The
>>> A640 does not have the optical image stabilization that the G7 has,
>>> but this may not matter to you.
>>>
>>> Having said that I just bought a D-Lux 3 yesterday, and my first few
>>> snapshots with it are very impressive. Great lens! The 16:9 aspect
>>> ratio may take a little getting used to, though...
>>>
>>> Will von Dauster
>>>
>>> On Nov 5, 2006, at 6:47 AM, Jack McLain wrote:
>>>
>>>> Can anyone offer opinion or comment on the Canon G7 as far as it's
>>>> "user
>>>> friendliness" from the perspective of a Leica M camera user? It  kinda
>>>> "looks" like a camera.
>>>>
>>>> Are there other digital cameras that one could consider (other than
>>>> the M8
>>>> or Epson Rd-1 which I just cannot afford right now)? Is the
>>>> Panasonic, even
>>>> without a optical viewfinder, a choice to consider?
>>
>>
>>
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>
> Nathan Wajsman
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