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Subject: [Leica] arizona desert cemetary...II
From: kididdoc at cox.net (Steve Barbour)
Date: Fri Nov 10 13:13:39 2006
References: <41E104B6-8AE4-4393-B3C2-B5F976EF48EC@cox.net> <002901c704ff$8c0e0890$a302a8c0@ted> <6861F98C-7FD7-4B55-8200-5C67D98F017D@cox.net> <4554E23C.5090209@waltjohnson.com>

On Nov 10, 2006, at 1:34 PM, Walt Johnson wrote:

> Steve
>
> When the image is cropped it becomes much cleaner looking. But,  
> even though it is cleaner it is not as real. An uncropped b&w  
> version, at least to me, makes it better. Otherwise, its seems to  
> take a graphic exercise appeal and lose it's "glimpse of reality"  
> No matter what you decide, it is a real keeper. :-)


I see what you mean Walt...it's really a hard call....I lean to the  
cropped color version...  but in bw I favor the whole scene... oh  
well,  thanks for your thoughts..they are very valuable to me...

here is another from the same place... for today, veteran's day...

http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/barbour/pow.jpg.html


a keeper... ? too simple and  cryptic....?

maybe I should post it separately...

Steve

>
> Walt
>
> Steve Barbour wrote:
>
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>> On Nov 10, 2006, at 12:36 PM, Ted Grant wrote:
>>
>>> Steve Barbour showed revised versions:
>>> Subject: [Leica] arizona desert cemetary...II
>>>
>>>
>>>> several people wisely suggested a crop, and I did this...
>>>> also several wondered about which is best, color vs bw....
>>>> so do I... what do you think ?
>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/barbour/cross+flower.jpg.html
>>>> > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/barbour/cross  
>>>> +flowerbw.jpg.html<<<<
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve a very interesting comparison indeed, both cropping and   
>>> colour vs. B&W.
>>>
>>> Pre-crop:
>>> I "almost" like the more open feel about it and can say "I like  
>>> it  un-cropped". Almost! Even though I thought the crop would be  
>>> better  I'm now questioning it. But the right side is a  
>>> distraction, so  maybe if you had cropped it first and posted it  
>>> cropped, then we'd  not have the opportunity to see it both ways.
>>>
>>> Cropped:
>>> But even with the crop done right on the mark, I now have this   
>>> feeling it's jammed too tightly together. Unfortunately this   
>>> happens sometimes in photography. And I'd have to accept the   
>>> cropped version simply because the items on the right are  
>>> without  question a distraction.
>>>
>>> I suppose if one were to put their "honesty as a  
>>> photojournalist"  aside for a moment and clonned over the  
>>> disturbing pieces then the  crammed space wouldn't be there and  
>>> the picture would be fine.  However, as photojournalists that's  
>>> not our cup of tea.
>>>
>>> So it needs to either stay cropped, or maybe try to burn the  
>>> right  side down to a slightly darker level to cut the  
>>> distraction. Not  dark dark, but subtly.
>>>
>>> The conversion to B&W does absolutely nothing for the picture at   
>>> all. This is due to the yellow flower playing such a strong part  
>>> of  the over all picture in colour that it doesn't have in B&W.   
>>> Actually it merely becomes a distracting blob of white waiting  
>>> to  be "spotted out!"
>>>
>>> Given this situation is on a list there will be at least 809   
>>> versions, 3 in agreement, and 3 who don't care. ;-)
>>>
>>> However, I still want to see the picture of you throwing the  
>>> yellow  flower precisely where it is for maximum effect of  
>>> composition! ;-)
>>
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>> NOT...
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>>
>> thanks Ted... I learned a lot from this exercise,
>>
>>
>> and one of the things I learned earlier,  never change the   
>> composition to enhance the shot...
>>
>>
>> and if you do never admit it....Steve
>>
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>>> ted
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Replies: Reply from walt at waltjohnson.com (Walt Johnson) ([Leica] arizona desert cemetary...II)
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