Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2006/11/17

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Subject: [Leica] M8: "I think it's gonna be all right"
From: firkin at ncable.net.au (Alastair Firkin)
Date: Fri Nov 17 20:50:06 2006
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20061116234333.00bbaa10@mail.2alpha.com>

Peter, you have saved yourself a lot of $$$ and come to the same  
conclusions I have ;-)

Cheers

On 17/11/2006, at 18:56, Peter Klein wrote:

> (Apologies to Lennon and McCartney for the subject line)  :-)
>
> I don't own an M8 (yet?)  I learned a long time ago to never buy  
> Version 1.0 of anything that contains or controls a  
> microprocessor.   It may not be "right," but it's a sad fact of  
> life today that early adopters are beta testers who are paying for  
> the privilege.
>
> But so far, I'm optimistic about the long-term prospects of the  
> M8.  I base this optimism on some very critical perusal of other  
> people's posted examples, including some full-sized RAW files.
>
> At the risk of sounding glib, I have a suggestion for M8 buyers  
> currently in a purple-tinged funk.  Set the M8 to in-camera black  
> and white, and shoot it that way--at least until Leica announces  
> its fix and policies.    This will temporarily remove the source of  
> irritation until you know what the future holds.  It will also give  
> you a chance to appreciate the camera's good qualities without  
> distraction.
>
> The IR issue is a problem, yes, but we already know that it can be  
> fixed with an IR cut filter over the lens.  And look what you get  
> in return.  When I look closely at M8 files, I see edges that look  
> like edges. I see details that, as I magnify them, don't smear out  
> *before* I can see the individual pixels.  When Sean Reid says that  
> the M8 can draw like a medium-format film camera, believe him.    
> This quality is the result of no anti-aliasing filter and a thinner- 
> than-usual IR filter, plus great lenses.  That IR filter needs to  
> be thinner than in DSLRs due to the higher angle of incidence  
> inherent in RF lenses.
>
> It was a real-world trade-off, and personally, I think it was a  
> good trade.  A filter on the lens can remove IR, but no filter can  
> add details removed by the camera design.  One of the things that  
> has bothered me about every DSLR I've tried (including the one I  
> currently own) is that slightly soft look that turns every fine  
> knife-edge into a slightly blurred gradient.  Sharpening helps, but  
> often at the result of an artificial look that screams "digital" to  
> me.  If the M8's better acutance comes at the price of needing to  
> mount a filter on my lenses, maybe I'll decide to grin and bear it.
>
> How Leica handled the issue is another matter.  The M8's IR problem  
> is understandable from a technical standpoint.   There may have  
> been some "groupthink" blindness at Leica, plus a need to release  
> the camera no matter what due to financial and organizational  
> issues.   Regardless, the "magenta surprise" was bound to create  
> Internet firestorms and conspiracy theories once the images were  
> out there for all to see.
>
> Now, what's done is done.  How Leica handles the resulting anger  
> and apprehension will probably determine the M8's success or  
> failure.  Rightly or wrongly, people feel betrayed, and that is  
> what the movie industry calls box-office poison.  I think Leica's  
> actions next week will be *more* important than whether some black  
> polyester turned purple this week.
>
> If I were Leica, I would buy up a sizable stock of IR filters, and  
> give away a couple with every new M8 sold, retroactively--whether  
> or not the customer buys coded lenses.  I would also implement a  
> menu-entry system for lenses, similar to the Nikon D200.  Why?   
> Because the better the M8 can handle *all* the M and LTM-mount  
> lenses each potential customer already owns, the better it will  
> sell.  I suspect this will mean Leica will sell a few less lenses  
> next year, but they will sell many more M8s.  And they will  
> probably sell more lenses in the long run if the M8 is a success.
>
> --Peter
> (watching and waiting like the rest of you)
>
>
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