Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2007/06/06

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Subject: [Leica] Compact Camera Conundrum
From: nathan at nathanfoto.com (Nathan Wajsman)
Date: Wed Jun 6 22:08:03 2007
References: <DC4B73A4105FCE4FAE0CEF799BF84B36013F1E9A@case-email> <46643226.5020401@comcast.net> <aed41d690706040935sade9a5crf6f14d76b955b2d7@mail.gmail.com> <466444CF.5000908@gmx.de>

I printed out the PDF from the web site and drooled all over it until I 
realized that there is a fly in the ointment: the slow (f4) lens. 
Compared to my Ricoh GRD's f2.4 lens, this means that the Sigma is about 
1 1/3 stops slower. Or put in another way: if I am in a situation where 
I need to use the Ricoh wide open at ISO 400 (the highest usable ISO on 
the GRD in my opinion), I would need to set the Sigma to ISO 1000 in the 
same situation. So while I am sure that the Sigma's sensor is superior 
to the Ricoh's at the same ISO, that is not the relevant comparison for 
me. The Sigma at ISO 1000 would need to be superior to the Ricoh at ISO 
400. I think I'll wait for some reviews...

Nathan

Douglas Sharp wrote:
> The photographic magazines in Germany have it priced at 700 Euros - 
> not cheap for a P&S - but I think I want one anyway :-)
> Douglas
>
> Jeffery Smith wrote:
>> Some of us are waiting on the Sigma DP1. Sigma has given it its own web
>> site:
>>
>> http://www.sigma-dp1.com/
>>
>> but so far it hasn't been released.
>>
>> Jeffery
>>
>> On 6/4/07, charcot <charcot@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I said I would never get a PS digital without a optical viewfinder -
>>> well I got the Ricoh GRD and have been happy with it.  I did get the
>>> optional viewfinder to use when needed.  Indoors or at nite it's not
>>> needed.  Shooting in the Grand Canyon I really didn't mind the add on
>>> viewfinder.  It's quick, no shutter lag, macro, flash.  RAW is VERY 
>>> slow
>>> but 8 MP is very acceptable.
>>>
>>> ernie
>>>
>>> David Rodgers wrote:
>>> > I need a new compact digital camera. My Canon G2 is ready for
>>> > retirement. I'm using my M6 less, because of time constraints and 
>>> film
>>> > processing/scanning.  My DSLR is just too bulky. Much as I'd like 
>>> to I'm
>>> > just not ready to buy an M8. I need something I can carry with me 
>>> at all
>>> > times.
>>> >
>>> > The Fuji F31 appeals to me for its low noise at higher ISO. It's also
>>> > relatively inexpensive. But can I live with 6MP?....or 35mm effective
>>> > focal length?.... I'd much prefer 28mm! And what about ergonomics? 
>>> The
>>> > G2 served me well, but I always lamented the fact that even at 
>>> $800 it
>>> > felt like a disposable.
>>> >
>>> > The Ricoh GR has appeal. But I keep reading mixed reviews.
>>> >
>>> > My preference would be to own a Lumix, simply for the Leica 
>>> connection.
>>> > The DMC-FX100 looks exciting. But I'm a little wary of high megapixel
>>> > P&S cameras. Is 12.2MP asking too much in a compact camera? That's
>>> > double the Fuji's MP, yet from what I see the sensors are about 
>>> the same
>>> > size. Plus, I need something now and the FX100 isn't available yet.
>>> >
>>> > I would appreciate feedback or info on other compact digitals that 
>>> might
>>> > appeal to Leica Users.
>>> >
>>> > Needs.....
>>> > Decent low light performance
>>> > Widest possible effective focal length (min 35mm)
>>> > Is quiet and unobtrusive
>>> > Has minimum shutter lag
>>> > Has manual capability (at least aperture priority)
>>> > Has decent battery life
>>> > Is simple and reliable.
>>> > Can live with jpeg only if it's decent jpeg.
>>> > Not too big or too small. Anything that's smaller than a Contax 
>>> T2/Canon
>>> > G2 but bigger than a deck of cards is OK.
>>> >
>>> > Don't needs....
>>> > Image stabilization
>>> > Digital zoom (or optical zoom for that matter if lens is between 28mm
>>> > and 35mm)
>>> > Macro capability
>>> >
>>> > Wishes...
>>> > Usable optical viewfinder
>>> > Inexpensive (I'm still saving for an M8).
>>> >
>>> > TIA
>>> > DaveR
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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>>> >
>>> >
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