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Subject: [Leica] 24 x 36mm ?
From: hoppyman at bigpond.net.au (G Hopkinson)
Date: Thu Jun 7 17:00:03 2007
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Lew, in fact you are not going crazy. I see no problem with spending a 
couple of minutes to satisfy curiosity either. Sorry Ted, all
knowledge is golden!
But then I've been told more than once by LUG folk that I am VERY detail 
oriented ;-)

>From neg samples here, widths of:
111c Width 36.84 mm     distinctly much tighter spacing
M3 36.78mm      gaps visibly not quite as narrow as 111c
M6 & M7 35.6mm
The difference between the three is easily visible at arm's length. I might 
speculate that the standard has altered over the long
period to allow for ease of handling, for example. Certainly the oldest 
camera is extremely precise.

So, on these examples the range is actually more than 3.5%
Naturally, commercial printing or scanning will crop some of the image 
anyway. Slide mounting of course does so too.
Traditional paper sizes vary in proportions as well. 
Imperial paper proportions vary from metric. (for example Letter vs A4) 
Standard machine prints from digital P&S cameras crop off quite a bit, film 
based machines always cropped some anyway.

Printing recently from scanned slides, I've arrived at 11" x 16" on 13" x 
19" paper as being very efficient use of the scanned file
proportions. Scanners have their own constraints too, dependant on film 
holder.

Cheers
Hoppy
-----Original Message-----
From: lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org [mailto:lug- 
Subject: RE: [Leica] 24 x 36mm ?

You're right; I'm getting the peanuts and Scotch as I write this. 

-----Original Message-----
From: lug-bounces+lew1716=optonline.net@leica-users.org
Subject: Re: [Leica] 24 x 36mm ?

Lew said:<lew1716@optonline.net>
> I'm just off to my darkroom to confirm something that's been bothering 
> me for a while. The standard 35mm full frame format is supposed to be 
> 24 x 36mm or 1:1.5. This should mean that I can print full frame at 
> 6x9", but (this is the part that's bugging me...) the images from my 
> Leica negatives never quite fit an opening of this size on my easel. 
> The only thing I can think of to explain this is that the Leica negs 
> just aren't exactly 24x36mm.
> OCD acknowledged, other comments ...?<<<<<<<

Hi Lew,
My instant reaction is....... You've got way too much time on your hands if 
you have to waste time doing this
kind of stuff instead of out shooting or other fun things.

Did it ever occur to you the easal may not be correct? 

I've printed hundreds of thousands of leica frames and full frame always 
seems to be 9X6 or so damn close who
cares!

relax, have a drink and get of the house and shoot some very cool stuff!

ted



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