Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2007/09/01
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Hi Gene, Thanks for your comments, of course digital shooting give more freedom to shot. Saludos cordiales Luis -----Mensaje original----- De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org [mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org] En nombre de grduprey@mchsi.com Enviado el: s?bado, 01 de septiembre de 2007 4:52 Para: Leica Users Group Asunto: RE: [Leica] Re: M8 problems Luis, I understand the reluctance to change, I have had the same problem, but finally got past the problem. Although I still shoot like I use film and am reluctant to just shoot more freely. I guess that will pass also. ;-) The one thing digital give us is the chance to learn without wasting film, which is indeed a good thing. In the mean time keep shooting your film cameras ans showing us those great photos. Gene -------------- Original message from "Luis Ripoll" <luisripoll@telefonica.net>: -------------- > Hi Gene, > > Thanks for your opinion, maybe you are right, we can't expect > uncertain future, and we should be adapated to the real trends... > Times are changing... and maybe I'm too reluctance to change. > > Saludos cordiales > Luis > > > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org > [mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org] En > nombre de grduprey@mchsi.com Enviado el: viernes, 31 de agosto de 2007 > 5:23 > Para: Leica Users Group > Asunto: RE: [Leica] Re: M8 problems > > Luis, the M8 is 1.3, not 4/3. If you wait for the full frame, that is > your decision. The same as those who hated the 35mm camera for not > being a 4x5 or 8x10. A 35mm size equivalent to the LF cameras never > happened. Yes, a FF M may someday happen, but it will be some time > until it does, and I would be pretty sure the current M lenses will > not work with it, as I would guess they will have to have the lenses > reformulated so the rear lens element is farther away from the sensor. > For the DSLR, it is not an issue as the lenses are farther away from the sensor, due to the mirror. > > Gene > > -------------- Original message from "Luis Ripoll" > : -------------- > > > > Hi Peter, > > > > I've found really interesting your arguments, but beside all the > > mentionned points, for me it remain one point, the format 4:3. I > > want to use my lenses on the original focal lenght. I hope, and I > > think that Leica will made a 1:1 format in the future. > > > > Saludos cordiales > > Luis > > > > > > -----Mensaje original----- > > De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org > > [mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org] En > > nombre de Peter Klein Enviado el: jueves, 30 de agosto de 2007 20:04 > > Para: lug@leica-users.org > > Asunto: Re: [Leica] Re: M8 problems > > > > > > Larry: > > > > Sounds like you really have two issues: > > > > - Do I need digital at all? > > - Do I need (or want) an M8? > > > > Digital is convenient. Digital has less dynamic range than negative > > film, but ISO for ISO, it's cleaner than most film. You don't buy film > > and processing, you buy a camera. > > > > I'm with Tina and George and Sonny--my M8 gives me the best image > > quality I've seen from a 35mm-size camera. > > > > No doubt about it, the M8 also has quirks and hidden costs that derive > > from those quirks. We have the IR filter/cyan drift issues and the > > need for coding of 35mm and wider lenses. There have been reliability > > issues with some cameras, particularly early models. Most of the > > really bad problems seem to have been fixed. > > > > But every so often, somebody's M8 fails, and we hear about it quickly. > > The Internet amplifies the problems, and it seems like every M8 is a > > piece of crap. I liken it to watching your local television news. It > > seems like there is a child molester on every block, and a terrorist > behind every tree. > > But is that really the case? > > > > We can scream from today till next Tuesday about how Leica shoulda > > done this and oughta done that, how could they not know about the IR > > issue, and how dare a $5000 camera not be perfect? But the fact is > > that Leica is a small company, and it's trying to compete with very deep > pockets from Japan, Inc. > > And the problems of very fast lenses and close-to-the-sensor RF lenses > > mean Leica has more to deal with than the DSLR makers. > > > > The real question is "what do I get for my five grand, and is it worth > > it to *me*? And if the thing dies, can I live with the delays while it's > fixed. > > > > My pet peeve is that they should give us a lens selection menu. And I > > am annoyed about the focus shift issues--they are not as bad as some > > people make them, but they are real. > > > > I knew about all the issues except focus shift, and I still bought the > > camera. I waited 6 months until it looked like the major teething > > pains had been fixed. I'm not rich, I still can't believe how much the > > damn thing cost, and I am still very happy I bought it. > > > > No one can guarantee that you will get a perfect,trouble-free M8. But > > it is telling that most of the people here who have M8s love them, and > > even those who have had failures want them back so they can shoot with > them. > > I've been lucky so far, no major problems. I'm still fine-tuning my > > shooting to find the sweet spot between blown highlights and too much > > shadow noise. My own feelings are about 5% occasional buyer's remorse > > and 95% "I LOVE this camera." > > > > Only you can decide if you want an M8. The way you're talking, film > > works for you, you don't need the immediacy of digital most of the > > time. If that's the case, why switch? OTOH, if you are interested in > > exploring digital while maintaining the same control layout and > > general shooting style as you did with Ms and manual SLRs, then the M8 is > worthy of consideration. > > If the M8 is not your cup of tea but you want a good, affordable > > high-quality digital, consider the Pentax K10D or the Olympus E-510, > > both very worthy shooter's cameras. > > > > But if you love RF shooting and the way Leica lenses draw images, the > > M8 is the only digital game in town. It takes some work and adjustment > > to get the highest quality of which the M8 is capable. But it can be > > done, and when you get it, it is incredible. You can argue that Brand > > C gives cleaner high ISO images, but not at the level of detail the M8 > gives. > > > > I'm shooting more with my M8 than I ever did with film. I have touched > > my > > E-1 and my film Ms each exactly once since I got the M8 5 months > > ago--the > > E-1 for a macro shot and the film M for a classical concert. That > > ought to tell you something. > > > > Reverse peer pressure: Regardless of what you decide, you and your > > photos are always welcome around here! > > > > --Peter > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information _______________________________________________ Leica Users Group. See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information