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Subject: [Leica] Never judge a book by its cover: Brahms, Mahler
From: douglas.sharp at gmx.de (Douglas Sharp)
Date: Sun Oct 7 15:14:44 2007
References: <200710072154.l97LsRhX019912@smtp41.singnet.com.sg>

I believe I have it on vinyl - I'll have to get my old records sorted, 
they're still in boxes after we had the living room re-floored and 
redecorated.  I know I have quite a few records of the Vienna 
Philharmonic and Kletzki, but I'm no longer sure exactly what.

I'm currently listening to poems by Blake set to jazz and choral music 
by Mike Westbrook (well, I suppose it's jazz, but with Mike and Kate 
Westbrook I'm never too sure, they drift around in all  sorts of 
directions from free improvisation to bebop, quoting Ellington, Parker 
and Mingus on the way, take a short trip into blues and come out at the 
other side in vaudeville, a classical vein, William Tell, Abbey Road or 
Charles Ives and Messiaen. Weird stuff to get your head around, but 
ultimately very satisfying.
 Best from Hannover
Douglas

Joseph wrote:
> Douglas
>
> Have you heard the version by Istvan Kertesz with the VPO?
>
> Joseph Low / Singapore
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lug-bounces+joelct=singnet.com.sg@leica-users.org
> [mailto:lug-bounces+joelct=singnet.com.sg@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of
> Douglas Sharp
> Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 8:29 PM
> To: Leica Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Never judge a book by its cover: Brahms, Mahler
>
> Seems to be something to do with Hamburg :-)
> Brahms earned his money as a brothel pianist and everyone hated Mahler - 
> including Mahler ;-)
>
> Love 'em both - JB's "Variations on a theme from Haydn" was always one 
> of my all time favourites since my childhood, and still is.
> Brahms "German Requiem" is nearly on a par with Faure's for me. Mahler 
> is something superb for dreary autumnal sunday afternoons.
>
> Although  now I'm much more more partial to Bruckner, Britten, Copland, 
> Ives, Hindemith, Janacek, Milhaud,Villa-Lobos, some Bermstein and just 
> about anybody's Requiem, Mass or Stabat Mater for serious listening and 
> Delius, Dvorak, Poulenc, Lefebure-Wely and Louis Moreau Gottschalk for 
> lighter moments (nearly forgot William Bolcom's piano rags - absolutely 
> brilliant!!).
>
> Douglas
>
> BTW, I love choral music - a tradition in Yorkshire - being part of 
> "Sounding Brass and Voices" performing Parry's Jerusalem is a 
> breathtaking experience - but I could never get much further than 
> glorious Gilbert & Sullivan - my mother was an accompanist for the Leeds 
> Gilbert and Sullivan Society, so it was permanent background music at 
> home -  (and PDQ Bach :-) ) when it comes to opera/operetta.
>
> Philippe Orlent wrote:
>   
>> Brahms digs too deep in the mind for me...
>> He's an instable romantic, I guess ;-)
>> Philippe
>>
>>
>>
>> Op 7-okt-07, om 01:33 heeft Luis Ripoll het volgende geschreven:
>>
>>     
>>>> From Sacred Cantata No.2?
>>>>         
>>> Now I'm listening Christa Ludwig on Brahms Lieder, at the piano the 
>>> great
>>> Gerald Moore...
>>> Luis
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Mensaje original-----
>>> De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org
>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org] En 
>>> nombre de
>>> Philippe Orlent
>>> Enviado el: domingo, 07 de octubre de 2007 1:24
>>> Para: Leica Users Group
>>> Asunto: Re: [Leica] Never judge a book by its cover
>>>
>>> Bach's 'Tilge, H?chster, Meine S?nden' isn't bad either ;-) Philippe
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Op 7-okt-07, om 01:19 heeft Luis Ripoll het volgende geschreven:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Philippe,
>>>>
>>>> This is a coincidence, this evening I've listened three times
>>>> Pergolesi's Stabat Mater (Mirella Freni & Teresa Berganza)...
>>>>
>>>> Saludos cordiales
>>>> Luis
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Mensaje original-----
>>>> De: lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org
>>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+luisripoll=telefonica.net@leica-users.org] En
>>>> nombre de Philippe Orlent Enviado el: domingo, 07 de octubre de 2007
>>>> 1:12
>>>> Para: Leica Users Group
>>>> Asunto: Re: [Leica] Never judge a book by its cover
>>>>
>>>> I agree with the tune, Steve. One of the better classic popsongs it
>>>> is.
>>>> But about Nessun Dorma: I prefer to hear it sung by f.i. Andreas
>>>> Sch?nberg, who sings it more soberly and with modesty.
>>>> Which fits Nessun Dorma perfectly. It 's the difficulty with Italian
>>>> music of this period: most of the time it's so overly melodramatic and
>>>> bombastic (the big feelings) that it becomes almost painful, unless
>>>> sung with some
>>>> reservation* :-) Then I prefer Pergolesi's Stabat Mater f.i.
>>>> Or all those German and Austrian composers that excelled in bringing
>>>> sheer emotion without getting preposterous.
>>>>
>>>> So at least they were good at something :-P (big smiley here)
>>>>
>>>> Philippe
>>>>
>>>> * That's why I never really liked Pavarotti: to much cheap pathos.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Op 7-okt-07, om 00:39 heeft Steve Unsworth het volgende geschreven:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> I have to say I was expecting the worst - especially knowing that
>>>>> these programs regularly include terrible singers to help the
>>>>> ratings.
>>>>> Yes he was
>>>>> raw, no he will never make it as an opera singer, but he had passion
>>>>> and commitment, and let's be honest it's one hell of a tune.
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/10/07 23:10, "Tina Manley" <images@comporium.net> wrote:
>>>>>           
>>>>>> I'm glad you weren't one of the judges!  What were you expecting
>>>>>> from a cell phone salesman who has never had formal voice training?
>>>>>> Of course you have heard better Nessun Dormas from professional
>>>>>> opera singers with voice training.  I think his performance was awe
>>>>>> inspiring and gives great encouragement to everybody with a dream.
>>>>>>             
>>>>>
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Replies: Reply from jayanand at gmail.com (Jayanand Govindaraj) ([Leica] Never judge a book by its cover: Brahms, Mahler)
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