[Leica] Cutting edge photography

[douglas.sharp at gmx.de (Douglas Sharp)]

All sorts of contemporary photography/photographers here too.
http://www.photoserver.info/photoart.htm 
Particularly under the items Experimental and Young Photographers
Douglas

Lottermoser George wrote:
> On Nov 30, 2007, at 9:20 PM, Don Dory wrote:
>> George,
>> First, I really appreciate this thread.
>
> And I really appreciate your thoughtful response.
> You've provided some useful insights.
>
>> The images you posted are frankly,
>> boring rehash of the past hundred years or so.
>
> I agree. Pushing the photographic art edge, for me, does not simply mean
> putting the latest outrageous costume and makeup in front of the camera.
>
>>  I see quite a few
>> portfolio's coming off SCAD students and it is more of the same.  I 
>> guess
>> what I am really saying is that we are in an inter period waiting for 
>> the
>> genius who will push us forward.  To my eye, Kyle's basement jump 
>> pictures
>> are far more bleeding edge than what was shown.  No disrespect, those 
>> folks
>> are making money and selling images and I am not in their demographic
>> anyway.
>
> And yet, are they derivative of the Pillipe Halsman work of 50 years ago?
> Simply a different subject, within a different environment.
> And in the case of the Dali Halsman book, the work was actually more 
> appropriate
> in both content and context to the subject - a surrealist painter.
>
>> As a non genius, I can't point the way forward, except to suggest 
>> that it
>> will not be a female form in whatever raiment or contortion.  I think 
>> that
>> it will come out of the gay community.  My gut is that culture is 
>> finally
>> feeling confident enough to really come out of the closet and 
>> publicly push
>> the boundaries, not just in an annual gay pride parade.
>
> Quite thought provoking. You seem to suggest that the "new vision" 
> will come
> out of "new social patterns" which, of course, makes a lot of sense; 
> and is probably
> historically accurate as well. Along these lines; do you think 
> Mapplethorpe qualifies
> as "cutting edge" for his period? It would seem so; even that he paved 
> the way for
> one of the areas you're alluding to.
>
>> My other suggestion
>> is that the death culture, whether it is the heroin chick, or the 
>> degraded
>> view of the model has just about run it's course.  Probably some 
>> orthogonal
>> right angle that none of us see now.
>> I have also been seeing some interesting images coming out of the hip 
>> hop
>> community.  Different culture with many of the correct societal filters
>> removed, a lot earthier and a lot more sexual tension hinted at in 
>> the best
>> images.
>
> Without a doubt. Some of the most interesting students I had, in 
> Chicago, came out
> of the hip hop culture. Very honest, raw, and yet aesthetically 
> astute. One student
> in particular had enormous drive. The semester's final, project had 
> very modest minimum
> size requirements, 11x14 inches. She came in with an 8x10 foot 
> painting to
> demonstrate her passion for graffiti art. She literally brought us a 
> "wall."
>
>> One example that I can't lead too was one of my associates that was 
>> at the
>> LA Art Institute.  Her fashion portfolio was ordinary items draped in 
>> a home
>> situation or hanging out to dry with the LA city scape in the 
>> background.
>>
>> If I get permission I will post some links.  Sorry to not be more 
>> visual at
>> this point.
>
> I look forward to hearing and seeing more on this subject from you.
>
> Regards,
> George Lottermoser
> george@imagist.com
> www.imagist.com
> Picture A Week - www.imagist.com/paw_07
>
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