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Subject: [Leica] Cutting edge photography
From: philippe.orlent at pandora.be (Philippe Orlent)
Date: Sat Dec 1 09:12:13 2007
References: <AD82ACB9-13D4-47B5-B26D-711BA3C7660C@mac.com> <9b678e0711301920n37bb442v88eeb9777f78ad4c@mail.gmail.com> <5747812E-E2BC-49D8-B9C5-846251D8FD1A@mac.com> <475194A8.6050305@gmx.de>

Thanks for that link!
I immediately fell on http://www.donaggioart.it.
Esp. the fine arts selection.
Philippe



Op 1-dec-07, om 18:06 heeft Douglas Sharp het volgende geschreven:

> All sorts of contemporary photography/photographers here too.
> http://www.photoserver.info/photoart.htm Particularly under the  
> items Experimental and Young Photographers
> Douglas
>
> Lottermoser George wrote:
>> On Nov 30, 2007, at 9:20 PM, Don Dory wrote:
>>> George,
>>> First, I really appreciate this thread.
>>
>> And I really appreciate your thoughtful response.
>> You've provided some useful insights.
>>
>>> The images you posted are frankly,
>>> boring rehash of the past hundred years or so.
>>
>> I agree. Pushing the photographic art edge, for me, does not  
>> simply mean
>> putting the latest outrageous costume and makeup in front of the  
>> camera.
>>
>>>  I see quite a few
>>> portfolio's coming off SCAD students and it is more of the same.   
>>> I guess
>>> what I am really saying is that we are in an inter period waiting  
>>> for the
>>> genius who will push us forward.  To my eye, Kyle's basement jump  
>>> pictures
>>> are far more bleeding edge than what was shown.  No disrespect,  
>>> those folks
>>> are making money and selling images and I am not in their  
>>> demographic
>>> anyway.
>>
>> And yet, are they derivative of the Pillipe Halsman work of 50  
>> years ago?
>> Simply a different subject, within a different environment.
>> And in the case of the Dali Halsman book, the work was actually  
>> more appropriate
>> in both content and context to the subject - a surrealist painter.
>>
>>> As a non genius, I can't point the way forward, except to suggest  
>>> that it
>>> will not be a female form in whatever raiment or contortion.  I  
>>> think that
>>> it will come out of the gay community.  My gut is that culture is  
>>> finally
>>> feeling confident enough to really come out of the closet and  
>>> publicly push
>>> the boundaries, not just in an annual gay pride parade.
>>
>> Quite thought provoking. You seem to suggest that the "new vision"  
>> will come
>> out of "new social patterns" which, of course, makes a lot of  
>> sense; and is probably
>> historically accurate as well. Along these lines; do you think  
>> Mapplethorpe qualifies
>> as "cutting edge" for his period? It would seem so; even that he  
>> paved the way for
>> one of the areas you're alluding to.
>>
>>> My other suggestion
>>> is that the death culture, whether it is the heroin chick, or the  
>>> degraded
>>> view of the model has just about run it's course.  Probably some  
>>> orthogonal
>>> right angle that none of us see now.
>>> I have also been seeing some interesting images coming out of the  
>>> hip hop
>>> community.  Different culture with many of the correct societal  
>>> filters
>>> removed, a lot earthier and a lot more sexual tension hinted at  
>>> in the best
>>> images.
>>
>> Without a doubt. Some of the most interesting students I had, in  
>> Chicago, came out
>> of the hip hop culture. Very honest, raw, and yet aesthetically  
>> astute. One student
>> in particular had enormous drive. The semester's final, project  
>> had very modest minimum
>> size requirements, 11x14 inches. She came in with an 8x10 foot  
>> painting to
>> demonstrate her passion for graffiti art. She literally brought us  
>> a "wall."
>>
>>> One example that I can't lead too was one of my associates that  
>>> was at the
>>> LA Art Institute.  Her fashion portfolio was ordinary items  
>>> draped in a home
>>> situation or hanging out to dry with the LA city scape in the  
>>> background.
>>>
>>> If I get permission I will post some links.  Sorry to not be more  
>>> visual at
>>> this point.
>>
>> I look forward to hearing and seeing more on this subject from you.
>>
>> Regards,
>> George Lottermoser
>> george@imagist.com
>> www.imagist.com
>> Picture A Week - www.imagist.com/paw_07
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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