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Subject: [Leica] M8 Question_Robert
From: len-1 at comcast.net (Leonard Taupier)
Date: Mon Dec 17 10:22:08 2007
References: <121720071555.14554.47669BE00000AC2B000038DA219791280203010CD2079C080C03BF970A9D9F9A0B9D09@mchsi.com>

Hi Gene,

I just sent Robert a CD of various M8 images. That should make the  
comparison a little easier.

Len




On Dec 17, 2007, at 10:55 AM, grduprey@mchsi.com wrote:

> Alastair doe shave a M8.  But I agree making a comparison is going  
> to be a difficult undertaking.  I suggest the original poster rent  
> or buy an M8 and make the comparison himself, only then will he  
> know if it meets his needs.  I have made a 24x30 print from my M8  
> and love the results, absolutely fantastic.  But that is only my  
> opinion and just tells you that it satisfies my criteria for  
> printing, and not another persons criteria.
>
> Gene
>
> -------------- Original message from "Frank Filippone"  
> <red735i@earthlink.net>: --------------
>
>
>> If you wish to compare 2 different lenses/films/cars/dishwashers/ 
>> etc. you
>> need to use identical roads and conditions/dirty dishes/images. Using
>> different images does not allow comparison, technically.
>>
>> The original poster wanted to know if the Hasselblad images from  
>> film ( E6
>> or C41????) would be equivalent to an M8 when a print is made. No  
>> print?
>> No comparison is possible. Because that was what the poster asked  
>> as the
>> comparison vehicle.... 4x6 inch prints? Nope. He wanted something  
>> like
>> 30x30 for both. JPG's? You are kidding..... not even a remote  
>> possibility
>> of comparison.
>>
>> Jim Brick ( who I believe is no longer a LUG member ) uses a  
>> Hasselblad. I
>> think Ken Frasier also uses the Hasselblad..... Alastair Firkin  
>> also. Do
>> any of them have a M8? I do not think Jim has, although he does 30x30
>> prints from his Hasselblad.
>>
>> Who and what will do the scan of the Hasselblad E6/C41? A ( Over  
>> $25K) drum
>> scanner? Epson $500 scanner? Who is doing the post processing? How  
>> much
>> is allowed? How much human capability is allowed? What kind of  
>> printer
>> driver? Tuned for what?
>>
>> Who or what is doing the comparison? What criteria? How many samples?
>>
>> I hope I am conveying the difficulty of answering this  
>> question......with
>> technical correctness.
>>
>> Anyone can take any picture they want and derive any comparison they
>> wish.... after all, it is a free country. But if you want facts to  
>> make an
>> unbiased comparison, it is exceedingly difficult.
>>
>> I stick by my response.. using digital printing techniques makes,  
>> in the
>> limit, a $300 P+S camera almost as capable as a $5K Leica M8. And
>> certainly, a Hasselblad image will probably look as good as a M8. The
>> digital printer is the item that flattens the playing field.
>>
>> Frank Filippone
>> red735i@earthlink.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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