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Subject: [Leica] Resident WAS Belgium (WAS: New topic - what makes "it" newsworthy?)
From: jayanand at gmail.com (Jayanand Govindaraj)
Date: Sat Jan 12 17:34:25 2008
References: <a2f8f4470801120610y7585a08eoc6193b58524f9f2a@mail.gmail.com> <22262860-65FD-4864-93A4-8998A7E6F872@nathanfoto.com>

Nathan,
Sounds like nonsense to me. Looks to me Danes want the cheap labour without
the attendant social costs, and are intolerant of other cultures.
Cheers
Jayanand

On Jan 12, 2008 9:43 PM, Nathan Wajsman <nathan@nathanfoto.com> wrote:

> Just to clarify: in order to combat forced marriages which were/are
> prevalent among certain ethnic groups, Denmark has indeed instituted
> a 24-year rule. If a Danish citizen wants to marry a non-resident who
> is under 24 and wants to bring him/her to Denmark, a test is applied
> to determine whether the couple, jointly, have a stronger connection
> to Denmark or to the other country. If the couple has a stronger
> connection to the other country, then the foreign spouse will not get
> a residence permit until s/he is 24. If both parties already have
> legal residence in Denmark, the rule does not apply.
>
> The law is applied equally regardless of nationality. A couple of
> years ago the son of a government minister who had been studying in
> the US for several years was unable to bring his American wife into
> the country because she had no prior connection with Denmark, and he
> had lived in the US for several years, and so they were judged to
> have a stronger connection with the US than with Denmark.
>
> It is hard to say what is reactionary and what is not. The whole
> issue of how to deal with especially Muslim immigrants has been a
> deep dilemma for the Danish left for several years; on one hand, they
> want to be progressive, multicultural and liberal with respect to
> immigrants' rights, but on the other hand they find themselves
> unwittingly supporting truly reactionary practices such as forced
> marriages, the burka, oppression of women etc. In the most recent
> election in November the most extreme left-wing party had a female
> candidate who wore the hijab and supported sharia law, including the
> death penalty (obviously, when speaking to non-Muslims she waffled a
> bit on all that), something that is anathema to most Danes, not just
> left-wing ones. She is widely judged to have cost her party a
> significant number of votes.
>
> Nathan
>
> On 12-jan-2008, at 15:10, Daniel Ridings wrote:
>
> >
> > Denmark is different.
> >
> > A lot of Danes move from Denmark to Malm?, just across the water. It
> > only takes them 20 minutes to get to downtown Copenhagen from where
> > they live in Sweden. They move there because Denmark (probably the
> > most reactionary country in Europe) does not allow its citizens to
> > marry with non-Danes until they are of a certain age (24? 25? 26?).
> >
> > So Danes that fall in love outside the Danish norms move to Sweden
> > where their marriages are recognized.
> >
> > But in doing so, the Danish citizens lose their right to vote. So they
> > can work and pay taxes in Denmark, but they can't sleep with whoever
> > they want or vote.
> >
> > Such is life.
> >
> > Daniel
> >
> >
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Replies: Reply from bd at bdcolenphoto.com (B. D. Colen) ([Leica] Resident WAS Belgium (WAS: New topic - what makes "it"newsworthy?))
In reply to: Message from dlridings at gmail.com (Daniel Ridings) ([Leica] Resident WAS Belgium (WAS: New topic - what makes "it" newsworthy?))
Message from nathan at nathanfoto.com (Nathan Wajsman) ([Leica] Resident WAS Belgium (WAS: New topic - what makes "it" newsworthy?))