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Subject: [Leica] IMG: Casual Portrait...now RAW
From: philippe.amard at tele2.fr (Philippe AMARD)
Date: Mon Mar 3 13:32:55 2008
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Yes Geoff!
And this
http://tinyurl.com/yuf2up
typically exemplifies all the flaws you have to deal with, sometimes :-(

Experiment and report Geoff, we want to know more over here, and see 
plenty of your nice photos.
Amiti?s
phx


Geoff Hopkinson wrote:

> Guys, the reasons to shoot RAW are well known. I guess that Jayanand  
> is saying that you haven't permanently changed your exposure  
> decision. That is you can vary the exposure in the conversion. That  
> is true, of course. But if you have completely clipped some  
> highlights, (all three channels) they are permanently gone,  
> irrespective of capture format.  The factor that I want to manage  
> best is that the sensor uses up to half of all of the possible tonal  
> values to represent that first EV. So clearly, our original exposure  
> decision can affect the tonal range we capture. Yes there are other  
> factors, such as our sensitivity to brightness in the first place and  
> the camera's compression methods etc. In practical terms it does  
> sound like the permanent -EV may well be the best solution. Lots of  
> people think so! But effectively cutting our sensitivity permanently  
> is certainly a compromise.  I am just interested in seeing just how  
> much tonal range I can extract in different light conditions. Hey  
> that sounds like trying to improve my technical skills along the way.
>
> Cheers
> Geoff
>
> On 04/03/2008, at 1:27 AM, Steve Barbour wrote:
>
>>
>> On Mar 3, 2008, at 8:14 AM, Jayanand Govindaraj wrote:
>>
>>> As far as I know, it is.
>>
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>> I am somehow having trouble with this Jayanand...
>>
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>> as this says that camera settings affecting the amount of light  
>> hitting the sensor, do not change the "negative"...
>>
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>> but we all know that a true film negative is altered by these  
>> setttings.
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>> Since RAW is the digital negative, why is that not also affected ?
>>
>> Anyone ?
>>
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>>
>> Steve
>>
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>>> Cheers
>>> Jayanand
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 8:24 PM, Steve Barbour <kididdoc@cox.net>  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mar 3, 2008, at 3:11 AM, Jayanand Govindaraj wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Geoff,
>>>>> I have -2/3 dialed in on my Nikons all the time. I think it is a
>>>>> digital
>>>>> thing!! If you shoot RAW it shouldnt matter, though
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> yes,
>>>>
>>>> is that an absolute fact though  ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> - my advice is never
>>>>> shoot jpg, always RAW.
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Jayanand
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 2:15 PM, Geoff Hopkinson  
>>>>> <hoppyman@bigpond.net.au
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Alastair, it seems to be a consensus. I am not yet ready to
>>>>>> surrender that all of that first EV all of the time. More practice
>>>>>> required. Gee I wish it had the EV comp on an analog dial on  top. I
>>>>>> hate menus. I got a case for it with a flap that covers the  
>>>>>> display.
>>>>>> Two advantages. No left eyed nose grease and stops me chimping too
>>>>>> much.! Really I need to get used to the metering patterns and  
>>>>>> use the
>>>>>> AE lock like on my M7. Don't need no stinkin' histogram when I'm
>>>>>> shooting.
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>> Geoff
>>>>>> On 03/03/2008, at 4:39 PM, <afirkin@afirkin.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lovely: my only comment with the M8 is that overexposure can  spell
>>>>>>> death to a photo and if like me you don't chimp and check after
>>>>>>> each image I'd set the exposure to -2/3 at least: I run on -1 ev
>>>>>>> most of the time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --- hoppyman@bigpond.net.au wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: "G Hopkinson" <hoppyman@bigpond.net.au>
>>>>>>> To: "'Leica Users Group'" <lug@leica-users.org>
>>>>>>> Subject: [Leica] IMG: Casual Portrait with Summilux 50 asph
>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 17:14:25 +1000
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Folks, My first steps learning to manage exposure with a new M.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is with the Summilux M 50 asph wide open. Now it has  become a
>>>>>>> short portrait 67mm or so!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/image/93634580>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/29trdn
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The subject is my beautiful daughter from the shadow side.   Just a
>>>>>>> quick casual shot obviously.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm completely biased of course, but I love this one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just look what the lens does on the 10MP sensor!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now to get better at the exposure control without throwing  away 
>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>> much at the highlight end.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers, Geoff
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/gh/a/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman/e
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>> best wishes,
>>>>
>>>> Steve Barbour
>>>>
>>>> "I never wanted to be famous"
>>>>
>>>> I just completed this book, and it will be out soon.
>>>>
>>>> kididdoc@cox.net
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>> best, Steve Barbour
>> "I never wanted to be famous" out soon.
>> kididdoc@cox.net
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In reply to: Message from afirkin at afirkin.com (afirkin@afirkin.com) ([Leica] IMG: Casual Portrait with Summilux 50 asph)
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