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Subject: [Leica] Canon 800mm IS
From: len-001 at verizon.net (Leonard Taupier)
Date: Sun Dec 28 07:40:26 2008
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Jim,

Don't forget you're talking to a lot of Leica guys. I already have a  
400/6.8 Telyt but if I had the Canon 400/5.6, I would use the Canon  
lens much more often.

Len


On Dec 28, 2008, at 10:15 AM, James Laird wrote:

> I've seen some Telyts on **ay and elsewhere, but all but one 400/6.8
> came without the shoulder stock. And if the 400/6.8 will suffice for
> my crop-sensor 40D, why not just get the Canon 400/5.6L? Thought about
> the 100-400 Canon because it has IS, but I'll probably be using a
> tripod most of the time anyway, and I've heard it's quality declines
> at 400 like most zooms. I'm confused.
>
> Regards,
> Jim
>
> On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 5:27 AM, Seth Rosner  
> <sethrosner@nycap.rr.com> wrote:
>> Jim, try the 400/6,8 Telyt, MUCH handier, same image quality and  
>> only a bit
>> lower magnification.
>>
>> Seth
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Laird"  
>> <digiratidoc@gmail.com>
>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 27, 2008 7:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Canon 800mm IS
>>
>>
>>> George,
>>>
>>> My bad. But they are stunning. I'd still like any luger's opinion of
>>> the 400 5.6L. I've also considered the 560 6.8 Telyt but they  
>>> seem to
>>> be in very short supply and I just don't know if I could get used to
>>> carrying that cannon around. Still considering.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 6:29 PM, Lottermoser George  
>>> <imagist3@mac.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Wish I could do as well;
>>>> but,
>>>> not my images Jim.
>>>> I only found them in a search
>>>> for better examples from the 800.
>>>>
>>>> Fond regards,
>>>> George
>>>>
>>>> george@imagist.com
>>>> http://www.imagist.com
>>>> http://www.imagist.com/blog
>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Dec 27, 2008, at 5:34 PM, James Laird wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> George,
>>>>>
>>>>> Absolutely stunning images!
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll never be in you're league but have been contemplating a  
>>>>> Canon 400
>>>>> 5.6L for my 40D to try my hand at bird photography and wondered if
>>>>> you've used one and what you think of it. I'ts not the 800 but  
>>>>> it's
>>>>> one-tenth the price and in my budget.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Jim
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Lottermoser George  
>>>>> <imagist3@mac.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's the first one I found - wide open
>>>>>> <http://www.pbase.com/martinisabelle/image/106665049>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fond regards,
>>>>>> George
>>>>>>
>>>>>> george@imagist.com
>>>>>> http://www.imagist.com
>>>>>> http://www.imagist.com/blog
>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 27, 2008, at 10:49 AM, Lottermoser George wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here's a better example of the lens's possibilities:
>>>>>>> <http://www.pbase.com/martinisabelle/image/105425263>
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> <http://www.pbase.com/martinisabelle>
>>>>>>> where 800 is indicated
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fond regards,
>>>>>>> George
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> george@imagist.com
>>>>>>> http://www.imagist.com
>>>>>>> http://www.imagist.com/blog
>>>>>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Dec 27, 2008, at 10:27 AM, Leonard Taupier wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You're right Doug. While I'm primarily a Nikon SLR user, I  
>>>>>>>> bought a
>>>>>>>> used
>>>>>>>> EOS 1DS MK II to use with my 560mm Telyt. This combination  
>>>>>>>> gives me
>>>>>>>> beautiful results. I have since purchased Canon's 400mm f4  
>>>>>>>> DO and
>>>>>>>> 1.4X
>>>>>>>> extender which also gives me beautiful results. Since I  
>>>>>>>> already had
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> full
>>>>>>>> frame body (This was before the D3 and D700), I started  
>>>>>>>> looking at
>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> the better Canon L lenses to carry with me. I am fortunate  
>>>>>>>> that my
>>>>>>>> dealer
>>>>>>>> lets me try anything I want. I have since had to pass on 4 L  
>>>>>>>> lenses I
>>>>>>>> tried,
>>>>>>>> including the 24mm f1.4, the 16-35mm f2.8 and the 24 -105mm  
>>>>>>>> lenses. I
>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>> get the 35mm f1.4L lens which I find very nice. I almost  
>>>>>>>> passed on
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> 400mm
>>>>>>>> DO lens as well. I tried a used one from my dealer which I  
>>>>>>>> found had
>>>>>>>> low
>>>>>>>> contrast. A week later he let me try a new one. It was  
>>>>>>>> nothing like
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> first one. It had excellent contrast and high resolution. I  
>>>>>>>> bought
>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>  I
>>>>>>>> don't know if this kind of variability is common but it's  
>>>>>>>> certainly
>>>>>>>> scary
>>>>>>>> for a lens that cost over $10,000. which is the case with  
>>>>>>>> the 800mm.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Len
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Dec 27, 2008, at 10:57 AM, wildlightphoto@earthlink.net  
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Leonard Taupier wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This lens is getting glowing reviews from the Fred Miranda  
>>>>>>>>>> site.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm beginning to question the value of user reviews  
>>>>>>>>> particularly
>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>> the user's quality standard, techniques and intended use are
>>>>>>>>> unknowns
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> may differ from mine.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> An example is the user reviews of the EF 24mm f/1.4 L on FM  
>>>>>>>>> and B&H
>>>>>>>>> where it seems many are awed by the fast aperture and are  
>>>>>>>>> willing to
>>>>>>>>> forgive
>>>>>>>>> weaker image quality at the faster apertures and the  
>>>>>>>>> expectation of
>>>>>>>>> cherry-picking dealer's (or importer's) stock to find one  
>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>>>> samples, and give the lens a very high rating.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> At any rate I expect that with the right conditions and  
>>>>>>>>> technique
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> 800mmm f/5.6 IS can deliver much more than the sample photos
>>>>>>>>> demonstrated.
>>>>>>>>>
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