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Subject: [Leica] And so it begins...
From: alal at duke.poly.edu (A. Lal)
Date: Sat Jan 3 10:35:18 2009
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Jayanand, pricewise I am comparing like with like.

Sailor Profits (1911s in the USA) with standard nibs are the pens I am 
talking  about, not the special edition nibs. You can buy these with 14k 
nibs from Ujuku Pen Shop in Japan starting at under a hundred dollars. The 
base Platinums, again with very smooth standard nibs, are well under $ 200. 
Prices here in the USA are similar. These prices are certainly in the 
Pelikan 400 - 600 range.  The Pelikan 800s, as I have mentioned earlier, 
seem to have better writing characteristics than the 400 or 600s,  IME.

DuPonts have moved up-market in recent years  and are now more expensive. 
However, they used to be in the Pelikan 800 price range a couple years ago.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jayanand Govindaraj" <jayanand@gmail.com>
To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org>
Sent: Saturday, 03 January, 2009 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Leica] And so it begins...


> Akhil,
> You are comparing pens costing $100-150 pens with those that start at 
> $600+
> - compare like to like. Pelikan M800 and M1000 have nibs which are the 
> most
> reliable writers on earth, and the M800 surely must be the most used daily
> writer in the fountain pen world.
> Cheers
> Jayanand
>
> On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 7:34 AM, A. Lal <alal@duke.poly.edu> wrote:
>
>> I have had some very poor experiences with Pelikan 400 and 600 series 
>> nibs,
>> especially the F and EF widths and would not recommend them. Out of over 
>> a
>> dozen nibs only 3 or 4 were really smooth. The 800s have been  better. 
>> All
>> my vintage Pelikan EFs and F s have been quite good. The best writing
>> european modern pens I have used are the DuPonts -superbly made, 
>> excellent
>> writers.
>>
>> Nothing matches a good a good modern Japanese nib in my experience. My
>> Sailor EF and Platinum F nibs (don't have any modern Pilots, so can't
>> comment) have been butter smooth straight out of the box, no tweaking
>> needed.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jayanand Govindaraj" <
>> jayanand@gmail.com>
>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org>
>> Sent: Friday, 02 January, 2009 8:39 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] And so it begins...
>>
>>
>>  Wayne,
>>>
>>>> From a pen collector - the present quality of Montblanc is rubbish - 
>>>> the
>>>>
>>> material used is so bad that it shatters on minor falls, and I have had
>>> one
>>> (gifted to me) that developed a crack while lying unused (replaced by 
>>> them
>>> very grudgingly). I would not buy a Montblanc made after 1977, when
>>> Dunhill
>>> took them over, and they decided that they were exiting the pen 
>>> business,
>>> and entering the luxury business. Sell the 149 and shift to:
>>>
>>> If you have the $$$ try Omas. But if you want best bang for the buck, 
>>> try
>>> Pelikan, especially the M800. If you want exotic nibs, try the Japanese
>>> (they have a great history of calligraphy) - Pilot/Namiki, Sailor or
>>> Platinum. All modern nibs are relatively stiff - if you want flexible
>>> nibs,
>>> look for 1950s Montblanc and Pelikan. All fountain pens, of course. For
>>> ballpoints or roller balls, it really does not matter, they all write 
>>> the
>>> same.
>>> Cheers
>>> Jayanand
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 4:24 AM, Wayne Serrano 
>>> <wayneserrano@earthlink.net
>>> >wrote:
>>>
>>>  Hey Mark,
>>>>
>>>> Moleskin, yes! have I got the perfect fountain pen for you.  For many
>>>> years
>>>> I have used a Montblanc Traveler fountain pen along with Moleskins and
>>>> other
>>>> types of note books.  Less than a year ago I acquired a new Montblanc 
>>>> 149
>>>> fountain pen because it felt so good to grasp but alas I can't part 
>>>> with
>>>> my
>>>> Traveler so my 149 has never been inked and I have never offered to let
>>>> it
>>>> go but.. if an interested party who remembers the joy of putting pen 
>>>> and
>>>> ink
>>>> to paper was to come forward I would seriously consider parting with 
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Wayne
>>>> ___________
>>>> wayne@wayneserrano.com
>>>> http://www.wayneserrano.com
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> >From: Mark Rabiner <mark@rabinergroup.com>
>>>> >Sent: Jan 2, 2009 2:25 PM
>>>> >To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org>
>>>> >Subject: Re: [Leica] And so it begins...
>>>> >
>>>> >I just got a DAY AT A GLANCE soft cover flexible Moleskine.
>>>> >3.4 x 5.5 inch.  (9 x 14 cm)
>>>> >
>>>> >Wishful thinking I know...
>>>> >That my time would get so cramped that I'd need a day at a glance.
>>>> >That didn't work when I as at my busiest 10 years ago.
>>>> >For years in the 70's and 80's I used a week at a glace.
>>>> > 3 5/8" x 6 3/16" size probably
>>>> >http://www.dayrunner.com/
>>>> >
>>>> >I tried bigger ones and smaller ones but one just slightly bigger than
>>>> >my
>>>> >wallet worked the best over the years.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >But Moleskine is taking over. I get them at the Barnes and Nobles.
>>>> >http://www.moleskineus.com/moleskine-2009-date-books.html
>>>> >They come in RED!
>>>> >But I got black believe it or not!
>>>> >
>>>> >I plan on filling each day with writing. With a fountain pen.
>>>> >And I wont have that really many appointments to crowd out the diary
>>>> aspect
>>>> >of it.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >Moleskine 2009 Pocket Soft Cover Daily Planner (3.5 x 5.5 inches)
>>>> >a new page for each day
>>>> >
>>>> >Daily Calendar
>>>> >The Moleskine Pocket Soft Cover Daily Planner, the ideal place to keep
>>>> >information and news for people on the move. A new page for each day 
>>>> >for
>>>> >notes and appointments makes this the ideal daily planner. This Soft
>>>> >Cover
>>>> >planner for 2009 is the same popular inside daily format as in 
>>>> >previous
>>>> >years but with a nice soft pliable cover (please note the soft cover
>>>> >planners do not include a removable address book).
>>>> >Pages: 380 pages (190 sheets)
>>>> >Size: 3.5 x 5.5 inches (9 x 14 cm)
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >Mark William Rabiner
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >> From: Alan Magayne-Roshak <amr3@uwm.edu>
>>>> >> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org>
>>>> >> Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 09:56:41 -0600 (CST)
>>>> >> To: lug <lug@leica-users.org>
>>>> >> Subject: RE: [Leica] And so it begins...
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Fri, 2 Jan 2009  "David Rodgers" <drodgers@casefarms.com>wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>  Everyone wonders how I survive without having a Blackberry, yet
>>>> somehow I
>>>> >>> manage.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> DaveR
>>>> >>
>>>>
>>>> ==============================================================================
>>>> >> So do I.  I carry a Month-At-A-Glance paper pocket calendar that I 
>>>> >>  >>
>>>> love.
>>>>  No
>>>> >> batteries to worry about,
>>>> >> for one thing (as with my M3, M2 and IIIf).
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Alan
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Alan Magayne-Roshak, Senior Photographer
>>>> >> UPAA POY 1978
>>>> >> University Information Technology Services
>>>> >> University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee
>>>> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Alan+Magayne-Roshak/
>>>> >>
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