Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2009/05/26

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Subject: [Leica] LOOKING TO BUY NEW PRINTER
From: pdzwig at summaventures.com (Peter Dzwig)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 16:54:26 +0100
References: <36172e5a0905251626p6af8d923u77a843cd06fd269@mail.gmail.com> <C640B2CB.4EEC1%mark@rabinergroup.com> <36172e5a0905251920j2a7532b3jb69b296efb3d6285@mail.gmail.com> <4A1BE332.8010803@whitedogs.co.uk>

A very real issue is that the retail (non-net) cost of HP cartridges has 
gone through the roof. A cynic would think that HP are trying to keep 
their profits up at the user's expense....

Peter Dzwig

Mark Pope wrote:
> FWIW, here's my 0.2p worth...
>
>
> We replaced our 2400 with a 3800 when the 2400 died.
> I was initially reluctant to look at another Epson printer as the 2400 
> had a number of non-user-replacable components that had gone end of life.
> So I initially looked at the HP B3180 printer. Then someone on another 
> photo forum suggested looking at the 3800 because the ink costs were 
> substantially lower than for either a 2400, 2880 or HPB3180 printer.
>
> I did some sums and posted the results on my blog, which you can see 
> here http://www.monomagic.co.uk/blog/?p=39 if you are interested.
>
> I think the cost differences between a 2880 and 3800 will be greater 
> than thos shown on my blog pages as the cartridges hold less ink than 
> the HP cartridges.
>
> Agreed, the 3800 is a big printer, but in terms of desk space, it 
> takes up about the same space as a 2400 with Permajet CIS.
>
> We've had the 3800 now since October last yea and I've only just had 
> to replace one of the cartridges (light black IIRC) We've made 250+ A4 
> prints (9x6 image area), plus over 20 A3 (12X8 image area prints.
> The quality of the prints is superb. And I have the option of going to 
> A2+ when I want to or have images that justify it...
>
> If you can fit the printer into your house, I'd say "go for it".
>
>
>
>
>
> Mark Pope,
> Swindon, Wilts
> UK
>
> Homepage http://www.monomagic.co.uk
> Blog http://www.monomagic.co.uk/blog
> Picture a week (2009) 
> http://www.monomagic.co.uk/index.php?gallery=paw/2009
> (2008) http://www.monomagic.co.uk/index.php?gallery=paw/2008
>
>
> Geoff Hopkinson wrote:
>> Yes BUT! ;-)
>> Even if you never make bigger than 13x19 the 3800 can be still 
>> attractive
>> because the ink carts are much larger . You may like to compare the 
>> volume
>> of ink that you actually get with the printer. Here for example half 
>> of the
>> price of that printer is the complete cartrifdge set provided. 80ml 
>> carts
>> in the 3800. 11ml in the 2880. You need to do the sums on running 
>> costs for
>> yourself, no doubt.
>> The only disadvantage is the physical size of the printer I guess
>> 2880 is currently discounted around here. Perhaps another new model 
>> on the
>> way.
>> 2009/5/26 Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
>>
>>> The Epson 3800 is too big its a 17 inch printer though they have a 
>>> smaller
>>> one with the same but I'm sure updated engine.
>>> I'd get that one.
>>> Ok I looked it up and here it is:
>>> Epson Stylus Photo R2880 Ink Jet Printer
>>>
>>> http://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/consumer/consDetail.jsp?BV_UseBVCookie=ye
>>>  
>>>
>>> s&oid=63075040
>>>
>>> Cost $699.99 which is an amazing deal as I thought for sure the 
>>> thing was
>>> going to cost at least $700 dollars US.
>>> And its a 13 inch printer so its not more than you want.
>>>
>>> I've never made a 17" print yet.
>>> But when I do I know I'll be a very big boy.
>>>
>>> I do have one white wall which would make an 17x22 look small.
>>> And its right over my bed.
>>> Brand new white paint. Very good paint job.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark William Rabiner
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com>
>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>> Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 09:26:02 +1000
>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] LOOKING TO BUY NEW PRINTER
>>> >
>>>> I have no experience with the Canon. I have the Epson 3800. It does an
>>>> excellent job for bw on good media. The Advanced Black and White (ABW)
>>>> mode works well for very good neutrality or you can use your normal
>>> colour
>>>> procedures.
>>>>
>>>> 2009/5/25 Chris Williams <leicachris at worldnet.att.net>
>>>>
>>>>> Epson.
>>>>>
>>>>> Canon's late to the pigment printing world.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>> NOLA
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "vipul patel"
>>>>> Subject: [Leica] LOOKING TO BUY NEW PRINTER
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> hello Every One,I am planning to buy new photo printer for 
>>>>> printing B&W
>>>>>> photos of either 8.5 X 11 or 13 X19.
>>>>>> I have narrowed down to two printers epson 3800 and canon pixma 9500
>>> II. I
>>>>>> am curious anybody in the group has experince with either printer
>>>>>> producing
>>>>>> better results for B&W photos.
>>>>>> Thank you in advance
>>>>>> vipul
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Cheers
>>> Geoff
>>> 'Life's not B&W, except at both ends'
>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/gh/
>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>>>
>>
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