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Subject: [Leica] New 85 f4 ZM
From: mak at teleport.com (Mark Kronquist)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 17:35:23 -0700
References: <C67A79F2.50EC1%mark@rabinergroup.com> <36172e5a0907081715p148a93f2ycc6ff2ea8e9d5d19@mail.gmail.com>

I akways liked and still do the last M Rokkor
On Jul 8, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Geoff Hopkinson wrote:

> Leica have an alternative in their current line up also. Tiny when  
> collapsed
> and has some other tricks up its sleeve too, of course.
> For travel or when lightest weight is most important, I'm thinking  
> that it
> is a good alternative to the larger (and superb) APO 75 and 90
> http://en.leica-camera.com/photography/m_system/lenses/2191.html
>
> 2009/7/9 Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
>
>> http://www.bjp-online.com/public/showPage.html?page=864877
>>
>> Jonathan Eastland has just reviewed this new 85 and the new 15mm CV  
>> M for
>> the The British Journal of Photography which I get regular emails  
>> from I'm
>> glad I can read British.
>> Its being called the
>>
>> Zeiss ZM Tele-Tessar T* 85mm f/4
>>
>> And its just out if its out yet at all!
>>
>> It's a bit smaller than my 90 Elmarit, Jonathan says.
>> Which I take out with me when I'm looking for a more lightweight  
>> option to
>> my awesome 90 APO ASPH. But the Elmarit is still heavy as hell.  
>> Twice as
>> heavy as I normally like to have up front there.
>> The new Cosina made ZM 85 is for sure bigger them my LTM  90 elmar  
>> which
>> his
>> also f4.
>> But smaller than the current yet discontinued Elmarit M designed  
>> for NASA.
>> I love f4 glass on my Leicas why?
>> Because I don't have to look through the darned thing.
>> Nothing is made darker and harder to focus at f4;
>> - it just makes for a super compact flare free optic;
>> Which cost less money.
>> For me that's getting my cake and eating it too.
>>
>> Jonathan is impressed with the classic optical design of this new  
>> 85 for
>> the
>> Leica M and what they've done to extend that.
>> He says it does better at f22 than older Leitz 90mm glass.
>> But I bet my Elmar does better at f32.
>> (the ZV only goes to f22)
>> I'm an f32 and be there kinda guy and yes I've heard the phrase
>> "diffraction
>> limited".
>>
>> Naturally I can get the adaptor and shoot my own tiny LTM Elmar 90  
>> f4 on my
>> M's.
>> But it might look kinda silly.
>> Its kind of skinny thing like a pinky. People might laugh at me.  
>> And I'm
>> sensitive.
>>
>> Slow compact glass is where its at I keep saying rinse and repeat.
>> But Mr. Kobayashi at Cosina always got it.
>> Now the Zeiss people he's working with also have got it. I bet he  
>> talked
>> them into it.
>> Zeiss in Germany has been offering a f/2, 85mm Sonnar T*  monster  
>> which
>> cost
>> a fortune and really was a Zeiss lens made in Germany. Generally  
>> you can
>> tell by the price. If it cost $ 2,912.00  (B&H) then its made by  
>> Carl Zeiss
>> AG in Oberkochen.
>>
>> We don't need all that size and weight in front of what's supposed  
>> to be
>> compact camera system, the Leica M. its nice to not have a blocked
>> viewfinder and a front heavy camera.
>>
>> Fast glass is an SLR need. You're always wanting the groundglass to  
>> be
>> brighter. So you can then stop down a little and really get it.
>> People think they need speed where all they're looking for is  
>> "brightness"
>> and the leeway to know they've got their focus.
>>
>> An M needs a complete F4 option from wide to tele.
>> Like it did in the day. The 50s and 60's.
>>
>> So they've come out with this classic f4 and had Cosina do it.
>> I love the Zeiss chrome front rim design like on a Contarex.
>>
>> Cosina always willing to come out with a more humane option for the
>> monsters
>> the other camera companies make. But Kaufmann's catching on.
>> I do notice the new 18 and slow 24.
>>
>> I don't think we need a whole lens line of f1.4's.
>> We need f4's not f1.4's.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mark William Rabiner
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
>
> -- 
> Cheers
> Geoff
> Alles was eine gute Kamera braucht / Everything a good camera needs:
>
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