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Subject: [Leica] New 85 f4 ZM
From: hopsternew at gmail.com (Geoff Hopkinson)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 10:15:27 +1000
References: <C67A79F2.50EC1%mark@rabinergroup.com>

Leica have an alternative in their current line up also. Tiny when collapsed
and has some other tricks up its sleeve too, of course.
For travel or when lightest weight is most important, I'm thinking that it
is a good alternative to the larger (and superb) APO 75 and 90
http://en.leica-camera.com/photography/m_system/lenses/2191.html

2009/7/9 Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>

> http://www.bjp-online.com/public/showPage.html?page=864877
>
> Jonathan Eastland has just reviewed this new 85 and the new 15mm CV M for
> the The British Journal of Photography which I get regular emails from I'm
> glad I can read British.
> Its being called the
>
> Zeiss ZM Tele-Tessar T* 85mm f/4
>
> And its just out if its out yet at all!
>
> It's a bit smaller than my 90 Elmarit, Jonathan says.
> Which I take out with me when I'm looking for a more lightweight option to
> my awesome 90 APO ASPH. But the Elmarit is still heavy as hell. Twice as
> heavy as I normally like to have up front there.
> The new Cosina made ZM 85 is for sure bigger them my LTM  90 elmar which
> his
> also f4.
> But smaller than the current yet discontinued Elmarit M designed for NASA.
> I love f4 glass on my Leicas why?
> Because I don't have to look through the darned thing.
> Nothing is made darker and harder to focus at f4;
> - it just makes for a super compact flare free optic;
> Which cost less money.
> For me that's getting my cake and eating it too.
>
> Jonathan is impressed with the classic optical design of this new 85 for
> the
> Leica M and what they've done to extend that.
> He says it does better at f22 than older Leitz 90mm glass.
> But I bet my Elmar does better at f32.
> (the ZV only goes to f22)
> I'm an f32 and be there kinda guy and yes I've heard the phrase
> "diffraction
> limited".
>
> Naturally I can get the adaptor and shoot my own tiny LTM Elmar 90 f4 on my
> M's.
> But it might look kinda silly.
> Its kind of skinny thing like a pinky. People might laugh at me. And I'm
> sensitive.
>
> Slow compact glass is where its at I keep saying rinse and repeat.
> But Mr. Kobayashi at Cosina always got it.
> Now the Zeiss people he's working with also have got it. I bet he talked
> them into it.
> Zeiss in Germany has been offering a f/2, 85mm Sonnar T*  monster which
> cost
> a fortune and really was a Zeiss lens made in Germany. Generally you can
> tell by the price. If it cost $ 2,912.00  (B&H) then its made by Carl Zeiss
> AG in Oberkochen.
>
> We don't need all that size and weight in front of what's supposed to be
> compact camera system, the Leica M. its nice to not have a blocked
> viewfinder and a front heavy camera.
>
> Fast glass is an SLR need. You're always wanting the groundglass to be
> brighter. So you can then stop down a little and really get it.
> People think they need speed where all they're looking for is "brightness"
> and the leeway to know they've got their focus.
>
> An M needs a complete F4 option from wide to tele.
> Like it did in the day. The 50s and 60's.
>
> So they've come out with this classic f4 and had Cosina do it.
> I love the Zeiss chrome front rim design like on a Contarex.
>
> Cosina always willing to come out with a more humane option for the
> monsters
> the other camera companies make. But Kaufmann's catching on.
> I do notice the new 18 and slow 24.
>
> I don't think we need a whole lens line of f1.4's.
> We need f4's not f1.4's.
>
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> Mark William Rabiner
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