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Subject: [Leica] New 85 f4 ZM
From: charcot at comcast.net (Charcot)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 18:37:49 -0600
References: <C67A79F2.50EC1%mark@rabinergroup.com> <36172e5a0907081715p148a93f2ycc6ff2ea8e9d5d19@mail.gmail.com> <3DC76500-99D8-458B-B568-086F4A211CB6@teleport.com>

I decided to go with the 90/2.8 current lens and it works out quite  
well on the ZI camera.  You can't count on exacting framing esp. on  
the edge but other wise is a very nice lens.

ernie
On Jul 8, 2009, at 6:35 PM, Mark Kronquist wrote:

> I akways liked and still do the last M Rokkor
> On Jul 8, 2009, at 5:15 PM, Geoff Hopkinson wrote:
>
>> Leica have an alternative in their current line up also. Tiny when  
>> collapsed
>> and has some other tricks up its sleeve too, of course.
>> For travel or when lightest weight is most important, I'm thinking  
>> that it
>> is a good alternative to the larger (and superb) APO 75 and 90
>> http://en.leica-camera.com/photography/m_system/lenses/2191.html
>>
>> 2009/7/9 Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
>>
>>> http://www.bjp-online.com/public/showPage.html?page=864877
>>>
>>> Jonathan Eastland has just reviewed this new 85 and the new 15mm  
>>> CV M for
>>> the The British Journal of Photography which I get regular emails  
>>> from I'm
>>> glad I can read British.
>>> Its being called the
>>>
>>> Zeiss ZM Tele-Tessar T* 85mm f/4
>>>
>>> And its just out if its out yet at all!
>>>
>>> It's a bit smaller than my 90 Elmarit, Jonathan says.
>>> Which I take out with me when I'm looking for a more lightweight  
>>> option to
>>> my awesome 90 APO ASPH. But the Elmarit is still heavy as hell.  
>>> Twice as
>>> heavy as I normally like to have up front there.
>>> The new Cosina made ZM 85 is for sure bigger them my LTM  90 elmar  
>>> which
>>> his
>>> also f4.
>>> But smaller than the current yet discontinued Elmarit M designed  
>>> for NASA.
>>> I love f4 glass on my Leicas why?
>>> Because I don't have to look through the darned thing.
>>> Nothing is made darker and harder to focus at f4;
>>> - it just makes for a super compact flare free optic;
>>> Which cost less money.
>>> For me that's getting my cake and eating it too.
>>>
>>> Jonathan is impressed with the classic optical design of this new  
>>> 85 for
>>> the
>>> Leica M and what they've done to extend that.
>>> He says it does better at f22 than older Leitz 90mm glass.
>>> But I bet my Elmar does better at f32.
>>> (the ZV only goes to f22)
>>> I'm an f32 and be there kinda guy and yes I've heard the phrase
>>> "diffraction
>>> limited".
>>>
>>> Naturally I can get the adaptor and shoot my own tiny LTM Elmar 90  
>>> f4 on my
>>> M's.
>>> But it might look kinda silly.
>>> Its kind of skinny thing like a pinky. People might laugh at me.  
>>> And I'm
>>> sensitive.
>>>
>>> Slow compact glass is where its at I keep saying rinse and repeat.
>>> But Mr. Kobayashi at Cosina always got it.
>>> Now the Zeiss people he's working with also have got it. I bet he  
>>> talked
>>> them into it.
>>> Zeiss in Germany has been offering a f/2, 85mm Sonnar T*  monster  
>>> which
>>> cost
>>> a fortune and really was a Zeiss lens made in Germany. Generally  
>>> you can
>>> tell by the price. If it cost $ 2,912.00  (B&H) then its made by  
>>> Carl Zeiss
>>> AG in Oberkochen.
>>>
>>> We don't need all that size and weight in front of what's supposed  
>>> to be
>>> compact camera system, the Leica M. its nice to not have a blocked
>>> viewfinder and a front heavy camera.
>>>
>>> Fast glass is an SLR need. You're always wanting the groundglass  
>>> to be
>>> brighter. So you can then stop down a little and really get it.
>>> People think they need speed where all they're looking for is  
>>> "brightness"
>>> and the leeway to know they've got their focus.
>>>
>>> An M needs a complete F4 option from wide to tele.
>>> Like it did in the day. The 50s and 60's.
>>>
>>> So they've come out with this classic f4 and had Cosina do it.
>>> I love the Zeiss chrome front rim design like on a Contarex.
>>>
>>> Cosina always willing to come out with a more humane option for the
>>> monsters
>>> the other camera companies make. But Kaufmann's catching on.
>>> I do notice the new 18 and slow 24.
>>>
>>> I don't think we need a whole lens line of f1.4's.
>>> We need f4's not f1.4's.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark William Rabiner
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Cheers
>> Geoff
>> Alles was eine gute Kamera braucht / Everything a good camera needs:
>>
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/gh/
>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>>
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