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Subject: [Leica] Better bokeh?
From: digiratidoc at gmail.com (James Laird)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 11:30:06 -0500
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Is there any significant difference, image-wise, in the Canadian vs
German cron 50?

On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 12:30 AM, Philippe Amard <philippe.amard at sfr.fr> 
wrote:
> More bokeh cron 50 and elmarit 60 takes here, plus various D-Leica,
> Ang?nieux and Oly flowers
>
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/album368/Kenzonian+Bokeh+_1+sur+1_.jpg.html
>
> This one is a fairly relevant example of the sharpness and flaws of the
> lens, I guess
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/d/164790-1/FF-Iris-For+Missus-original-1090999-2.jpg
>
> Hard to tell what bokeh means by the way.
> Depends on what and how you want to shoot too.
>
> Bien cordialement de Metz
> Philippe
>
>
> Jim Nichols wrote:
>
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>> Yes, if you are referring to the yellow lily, I beleive it is typical of
>> the Summicron. ?There is one other in the gallery, made with the 
>> Summicron,
>> that I feel is the best that I have achieved. The link is below:
>>
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Rhody+by+Summicron.tif.html
>>
>> I don't think this lens will disappoint you.
>>
>> Jim Nichols
>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Laird" <digiratidoc at 
>> gmail.com>
>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 11:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Better bokeh?
>>
>>
>>> Jim,
>>>
>>> I think the bokeh in your first Summicron image is superb. Is this
>>> typical with this lens in your experience?
>>>
>>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Yellow+Lily+2.tif.html>
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Jim Nichols <jhnichols at 
>>> lighttube.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jim,
>>>>
>>>> Prior to getting the Leica-R lenses, I was experimenting with some
>>>> Pentax
>>>> Takumars that I had available. For pure OOF areas, I suspect that the
>>>> Taks
>>>> were as nice as the Leicas. I got the Leica lenses because the in-focus
>>>> performance is better than anything else that I have found.
>>>>
>>>> As to the different versions of the Summicron, I can't answer. IIRC,
>>>> mine
>>>> is a 3-cam, with a retractable shade.
>>>>
>>>> Takumar bokeh:
>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Fuchsia_Blooms_sm.jpg.html
>>>>
>>>> Zuiko 14-54 bokeh:
>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Garden+Spider+final.jpg.html
>>>>
>>>> Old Hannimex 135:
>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Ruby+Throat+Female.tif.html
>>>>
>>>> Another with 60/2.8 Elmarit-R:
>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Watchful+Hummer.jpg.html
>>>>
>>>> Jim Nichols
>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Laird" <digiratidoc at 
>>>> gmail.com>
>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 10:41 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Better bokeh?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Jim, those are outstanding images, but I'm not really
>>>>> interested in how 'sharp' the images is but rather the juxtaposition
>>>>> of the somewhat sharp to the absolutely out of focus areas of the
>>>>> image. That's why I'm interested in which lens offers the best
>>>>> 'bokeh'. Is there any difference in bokeh between the different
>>>>> versions of the 50/2.0 Summicron 1,2, and 3 cam lenses? If so, which
>>>>> offers the best, smoothest out of focus image. And will the famous
>>>>> Leica 'bokeh' make a significant difference over my antiquated Canon
>>>>> 50/1.8?
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 9:21 PM, Jim Nichols <jhnichols at 
>>>>> lighttube.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> James,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am using the 50/2.0 Summicron-R, and the 60/2.8 Elmarit-R Macro. The
>>>>>> bokeh is fine at large apertures with both of them. The advantage of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> 60
>>>>>> is that one can focus down to about 10 inches, though the DOF at that
>>>>>> point
>>>>>> is VERY shallow. The following images in my gallery might give you and
>>>>>> idea
>>>>>> of what to expect.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My first post using the Elmarit:
>>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Rose.jpg.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A similar post with the Summicron:
>>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Yellow+Lily+2.tif.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim Nichols
>>>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Laird"
>>>>>> <digiratidoc at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 7:18 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [Leica] Better bokeh?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which R lens in the 'standard' range (50-60mm) has the best bokeh?
>>>>>>> I've found an interest in the macro world and shoot a lot with my old
>>>>>>> trusty Canon 50 1.8 with a Kenko 12mm extension tube resulting in
>>>>>>> shots like
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/digiratidoc/Bokeh/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm interested in trying out an R lens due to Leicas legendary bokeh.
>>>>>>> Which one is the 'best', if there is such a thing?
>>>>>>>
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