Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2009/11/09

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Subject: [Leica] m9 review
From: sonc.hegr at gmail.com (Sonny Carter)
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 22:35:28 -0600
References: <C71D1BB1.58386%mark@rabinergroup.com> <2B32D10C-CE25-485C-8D04-E9EABD6CDEB6@ameritech.net> <36172e5a0911092023s2a2fd6b0lcc7ea8d51a8bd6c@mail.gmail.com> <a3f189160911092032x93967aao88c9e67eabb6d901@mail.gmail.com> <ee8fa51c0911092034i6e4cab2am64d1f1686af3e79b@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Marty Deveney <benedenia at gmail.com> 
wrote:

> I think Geoff is suggesting Dante is having a bad day.  I'd suggest
> Dante is actually seeing very lucidly.
>

I agree.


>
> Marty
>
> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Sonny Carter <sonc.hegr at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> > I don't get this, Geoff.
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 10:23 PM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> Dante, when you started your day, you lost your car keys, someone stole
> >> your
> >> parking space, the cafe was out of your favourite muffins, your coffee
> had
> >> a
> >> fly in it and your pet hamster has leprosy and an unplanned pregnancy or
> >> something??? ;-) ;-)
> >> Sheesh!
> >>
> >>
> >> 2009/11/10 Dante Stella <dstella1 at ameritech.net>
> >>
> >> > Mark, this is not about raw speed - though I know that makes for a
> better
> >> > straw-man.
> >> >
> >> > 1.      David Keenan is dead-on correct about the M8/M9 architecture,
> >> which
> >> > has a long shutter lag (six times that of an M3 and double that of a
> D3),
> >> is
> >> > slow to a second shot (should/when you need one), and can lock up
> fairly
> >> > easily taking repeated shots, even without mashing down the shutter
> >> button
> >> > on continuous.  I have years of experience with this on the M8 and
> agree
> >> > with Keenan that unresponsiveness - particularly on a first shot - is
> >> > inexcusable.  This is even more the case where a camera allegedly is
> >> > designed to capture some "decisive moment."
> >> >
> >> > 2.      Two things that didn't get mentioned (and hopefully these have
> >> not
> >> > carried on to the M9) are (a) the tendency of the M8 to wildly
> overexpose
> >> if
> >> > the shutter is pressed too quickly when the meter is "waking up" -
> >> > apparently a bad habit carried over with the M7 meter - and (b) the
> >> tendency
> >> > not to fire the flash at all if the shutter is tripped too quickly
> after
> >> the
> >> > shutter is first pressed.  Then go to #1 above for the slow recovery
> from
> >> > the resulting missed shot.
> >> >
> >> > If the M9 is in any way worse than an M8 in responsiveness, it's a
> fail.
> >>  I
> >> > don't believe that a camera should have any ability to second-guess,
> ask
> >> for
> >> > a "do-over," or be asleep on the job when I need it.
> >> >
> >> > The decision when and if to take a picture is not an exercise for a
> >> > committee.
> >> >
> >> > Unless that committee is a committee of one.
> >> >
> >> > Me.
> >> >
> >> > Dante
> >> >
> >> > ____________
> >> > Dante Stella
> >> > http://www.dantestella.com
> >> >
> >> > NO ARCHIVE
> >> >
> >> > On Nov 9, 2009, at 1:06 AM, Mark Rabiner wrote:
> >> >
> >> > We'll see if anyone else in the world especially a reviewer especially
> a
> >> >> real reviewer thinks there's  a speed issue with the camera. As in
> the
> >> >> camrea shoots too slow. Which he goes on and on about.
> >> >>
> >> >> I wasn't too offended till I got half way down the page and hit the
> >> >> " The Major Flaw of the M9"
> >> >>
> >> >> He's holding the shutter button down until the thing slow up and
> stops
> >> >> shooting at 2 frames per second and that takes  seven or eight
> >> exposures.
> >> >> " Inexcusable" he says
> >> >> !?!?!
> >> >>
> >> >> And he insists on shooting "compressed RAW + fine JPG" .
> >> >> Gotta have both.
> >> >> It's gotta be compressed
> >> >> And he's gotta go on and on about it.
> >> >>
> >> >> The last time I held the shutter button down like that on even a DSLR
> >> was
> >> >> never.
> >> >> And I've shot skate boarders.
> >> >>
> >> >> But not Golf swing studies.
> >> >>
> >> >> There's a difference between camera  bloggers and  cameras reviewers.
> >> >> And I'd think the digitaljournalist people would know that.
> >> >> .
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Mark William Rabiner
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
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> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Cheers
> >> Geoff
> >> The new LEICA M9
> >> Passion for perfect pictures.
> >> http://www.m.leica-camera.com
> >>
> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/gh/
> >> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
> >>
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> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> >
> > Sonny
> > http://www.sonc.com
> > http://sonc.stumbleupon.com/
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> > (+31.754164,-093.099080)
> >
> > USA
> >
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-- 
Regards,

Sonny
http://www.sonc.com
http://sonc.stumbleupon.com/
Natchitoches, Louisiana
(+31.754164,-093.099080)

USA


Replies: Reply from sonc.hegr at gmail.com (Sonny Carter) ([Leica] m9 review)
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