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Subject: [Leica] Collapsible 50mm Elmar and Summicron on M8 M9
From: shino at panix.com (Rei Shinozuka)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:30:58 -0500
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I only have 2 collapsibles, the summitar and summicron.  (the summitar 
has the conical IR-cut filter created kindly for me by Len Taupier) i 
can't say what the long-term effect of constant collapsing of these 
lenses into the M8 is, but i have mounted both and collapsed both on the 
M8, and it won't smash the shutter or anything dramatic like that.  on 
the other hand, when collapsing you do sometimes feel something contact 
inside when the lens is half-collapsed--i think it's the protrusions in 
the film chamber to the left and right behind the bayonet contacting the 
lens tube as it goes back.  the lens continues to collapse without force.

In summary:
1. you can fully collapse the lenses on an M8
2. they don't smash the shutter.
3. the tube seems to gently contact something inside the film chamber, 
but there's no discernible damage.
4. officially the makers warn against collapsing these lenses, but it's 
not clear why.
5. since the fit of the back of the focus tube is tight inside when 
collapsed, i'd recommend not mounting and removing lenses when in 
collapsed state.

-rei


Lluis Ripoll Querol wrote:
> Hi Len,
>
> I'm glad you are fine!, happy new year and I hope continue seeing your 
> pictures, particularly those so nice with your beautiful Summarex!.
>
> I've used very few these collapsible lenses on the M8, and I'll keep 
> careful without collapsing.
>
> Nice to meet you again on the LUG,
>
> Keep wel,
> Cheers
> Lluis
>
> Lluis Ripoll Querol
> lluisripollquerol at gmail.com
>
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>
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>
> El 17/01/2010, a las 1:44, Leonard Taupier escribi?:
>
>> Hi Lluis,
>>
>> Yes I'm fine. I browse the LUG from time to time and Steve's question 
>> caught my eye. Yes the Summicrons and Elmars are OK. The screw mount 
>> f3.5 Elmars are a little close though. I use them all on my M8s but 
>> keep them extended.
>>
>> Len
>>
>>
>> On Jan 16, 2010, at 3:08 PM, Lluis Ripoll Querol wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Steve,
>>>
>>> As far as I know you can collapse Summicrons and Elmar on the M8, 
>>> I've have both but I've never collapsed on..., I'm careful.  I 
>>> remember this question was answered longtime ago by an our expert 
>>> friend Leonard Taupier, I hope he is well.
>>>
>>> Amiti?s
>>> Lluis
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> El 16/01/2010, a las 19:25, Steve Barbour escribi?:
>>>
>>>> Again the current M9 manual warns against using collapsible lenses 
>>>> with the M9, in the collapsed ie non extended mode.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I recall a LUGer, with plenty of experience, has said that the 50mm 
>>>> Collapsible Elmars and Summicrons are in fact not a risk to the M8 
>>>> & M9 even when collapsed....
>>>>
>>>> Is this correct?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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