Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2010/03/21

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Subject: [Leica] HCB Wannabes
From: jsmith342 at gmail.com (Jeffery Smith)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 09:11:57 -0500
References: <C7CB2D73.5FC6B%mark@rabinergroup.com>

It's those other annoying little laws like disorderly conduct and harassment 
that make our 1st amendment rights less than pure and absolute. Ask that 
goofy 16-year-old kid who was practicing his freedom of speech over the PA 
system in a WalMart. I think he's in the slammer today. I hope he got his 
own cell.

On of my family members is constantly fuming that she isn't allowed to use 
the N-word. She has no reason to use it, but wants to because she isn't 
allowed to. I don't get her point. What's the practical value? So, she wants 
to walk down the street calling African Americans the n-word because of her 
protected right of freedom of speech. She has never had the urge to walk 
down the street calling unattractive people goblins or calling overweight 
people fat tubs of s**t, but that N-word really has her feeling her 1st 
amendment rights being trampled. Life is too short to feel that every nuance 
of the 1st amendment must be exercised without constraint. Winogrand's book 
is named "The Man in the Crowd", not because his activities were drawing a 
crowd, but because he was among those in the crowd, but taking pictures. He 
did raise some eyebrows, and that dude with the bandage on his 
already-punched nose seemed downright displeased. Garry might not be able to 
pull it off were he alive today, at least not without getting some physical 
abuse. Fully exercising your own right can make others feel that their 
rights are being violated. If "It's the bottom line" implies that freedom of 
speech has no restrictions, it goes beyond not yelling "fire" in a crowded 
theater. Having a camera in hand doesn't impart full immunity. There, now 
I've made the MOST unconscionable statement you have ever read.

Jeffery

On Mar 21, 2010, at 12:57 AM, Mark Rabiner wrote:
> 
> Although freedom of speech and freedom of the press: the FIRST AMENDMENT if
> you are here in the USA is not a periphery issue to those with a serious
> interest in the pursuit of photography.
> It's the bottom line.
> There is no "we don't like this guy" or this fella is going to post kids on
> the swing-set to a website" so the first amendment has to go this time. 
> That
> is way far out absurdity.
> 
> [Rabs]
> Mark William Rabiner
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Replies: Reply from lug at steveunsworth.co.uk (Steve Unsworth) ([Leica] HCB Wannabes)
In reply to: Message from mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner) ([Leica] HCB Wannabes)