Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2010/04/05
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]We each see through our own particular filters. The U.S. is considerably larger than south Florida. I'm not attempting to negate the hardline Cuban exile's political muscle. I'm simply including other complexities which also have political weight. The whole anti-socialist, anti-communist, anti-fascist rhetoric, which currently rocks our daily news, continues to carry huge weight across much larger and diverse population segments than the Cuban segment. Another good read: <http://pewhispanic.org/files/factsheets/23.pdf> Regards, George Lottermoser george at imagist.com http://www.imagist.com http://www.imagist.com/blog http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist On Apr 5, 2010, at 10:59 PM, Jayanand Govindaraj wrote: > George, > Just tell me, which of your political parties would dare alienate > the Cuban > vote in a borderline state like Florida? My guess is that is the > fundamental > reason as of today, the rest is piled on as justification. > > Your article gives three main irritants at present: > > 1. Human Rights Violations: The USA gives a shit about this, > otherwise you > would not deal with China, and probably 75% of the countries around > the > world. Cuba probably has far, far less violations than say China, > Pakistan, > Saudi Arabia or the Central Asian Republics that the Obama > administration is > sucking up to at present (for defense bases). > > 2. Guantanamo Bay: See #1 above. Countries in glass houses should > not throw > stones. > > 3. Cuban Exile Community: Which brings us to the real reason! > > There is no practical justification left for something that was > considered > necessary 50 years ago. Therefore, if the country does not gain > anything by > the continuation of the embargo, what is left is a narrow parochial, > political reason. As I said, as the exile community reduces by > attrition, it > becomes less of a political voting block, and things will change. > > Cheers > Jayanand > > > On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 9:10 AM, George Lottermoser > <imagist3 at mac.com> wrote: > >> The view from my neck of the U.S. woods >> appears a bit more complex than that Jayanand. >> >> A decent read: >> <http://www.cfr.org/publication/11113/uscuba_relations.html> >> >> >> Regards, >> George Lottermoser >> george at imagist.com >> http://www.imagist.com >> http://www.imagist.com/blog >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist >> >> On Apr 5, 2010, at 10:10 PM, Jayanand Govindaraj wrote: >> >> George, >>> The main one would be the expatriates being a 'voting block'. >>> Politicians >>> can think of nothing but the next election. This will change as the >>> generation that fled Cuba when Castro took over dies, and their >>> children >>> start voting as Americans, not Cubans. >>> Cheers >>> Jayanand >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 11:12 PM, George Lottermoser >>> <imagist3 at mac.com >>>> wrote: >>> >>> I'm not sure one can choose between the three major reasons for >>>> continuing >>>> the embargo: >>>> 1) Loss of U.S. citizen's property after the revolution >>>> 2) Angry Cuban ex-patriots >>>> 3) The long in the tooth "cold war" politics >>>> They all work together. >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> George Lottermoser >>>> george at imagist.com >>>> http://www.imagist.com >>>> http://www.imagist.com/blog >>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist >>>> >>>> On Apr 5, 2010, at 12:20 PM, Greg Lorenzo wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> clive.moss at gmail.com writes in part: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks - The US still has a crazy embargo on Cuba, fueled by >>>>> the angry >>>>>> expat >>>>>> Cuban community in Florida. As a result, travel to Cuba from >>>>>> the US is >>>>>> tightly constrained. As a result, we could only go to Cuba >>>>>> legally in >>>>>> the >>>>>> context of a specific license issued by the US to a religious >>>>>> organization - >>>>>> hence the focus on the Jewish community. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Cuba is a beautiful country populated with very friendly >>>>> people. As a >>>>> Canadian I can visit Cuba whenever I'd like - and did so about >>>>> seven >>>>> years >>>>> ago (no embargo here). However I believe that the US embargo is >>>>> more >>>>> reflective of the anger of American citizens whose property was >>>>> nationalized >>>>> without compensation after Castro's revolution then ex-pat Cuban's >>>>> living in >>>>> Florida. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Greg Lorenzo >>>>> >>>>> Calgary, Canada >>>>> >>>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>>> The New Busy is not the old busy. 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