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Subject: [Leica] WikiLeaks
From: tcharara at mac.com (Tarek Charara)
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2010 17:22:40 +0200
References: <B1BDEE6C-2CCA-455E-994D-9443729166AC@gmail.com> <t2z36172e5a1004051941zdefd2d54w7bb68cd4347904af@mail.gmail.com> <o2heb6799211004052044he9961a3ay5c9777e335507dc3@mail.gmail.com> <l2o36172e5a1004052230lf84ede67rdd3c47e186bf3514@mail.gmail.com> <20100406092701.600f79c3@linux-0ifi.site> <1066263E-A1DE-4998-846E-1E10DCE09828@mac.com>

And one has to add that this applies to any country of the world and  
even more to the countries that moralize others...

All the best from the south of France!

Tarek

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Tarek Charara
<http://www.pix-that-stimulate.com>

NO ARCHIVE



Le 6 avr. 10 ? 15:47, George Lottermoser a ?crit :

> Absolutely.
> Military, contractors, police, rent-a-cops and other so-called  
> authority figures
> must be challenged and exposed
> whenever and where ever they apply inappropriate and/or illegal uses  
> of force,
> whether verbal, physical or lethal, on photographers, journalists  
> and civilians.
>
> Regards,
> George Lottermoser
> george at imagist.com
> http://www.imagist.com
> http://www.imagist.com/blog
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
>
> On Apr 6, 2010, at 8:27 AM, Philip Forrest wrote:
>
>> As a former troop on that very ground, I think that more of these
>> records of injustice ought to be seen by the world, not less. The
>> coalition has been responsible for over 100,000 deaths in this  
>> campaign
>> and some estimates approach 1/4 million.
>> It's not acceptable.
>>
>> Phil Forrest
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 6 Apr 2010 15:30:03 +1000
>> Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Richard because firstly it is a link to footage that your government
>>> has not authorised for release, because such footage can have
>>> security implications (including for example inclusion of weapon
>>> system parameters if it is not sanitised from the footage (and hence
>>> can aid your enemies), because the language used in the site conveys
>>> opinion which does have political finger pointing involved, because
>>> casual viewers don't know what has actually happened nor the
>>> circumstances, and the propaganda implications can harm your
>>> government etc. The military on the ground will likely have differnt
>>> opinions to casual observers at home. Unless you are suggesting that
>>> your military has deliberately set out to target Press members
>>> apparently involved then it has nothing to do with free press or
>>> photographers marching in the streets for their rights or whatever.
>>>
>>> However, I was expressing my personal opinion. I am not in charge of
>>> the LUG.  Feel free to disagree with me off list if you wish.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Geoff
>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6 April 2010 13:44, Richard Man <richard at imagecraft.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I disagree, if the "discussion" degenerates into political finger
>>>> pointing and whatnots, that's different.
>>>>
>>>> What happened to all the "lets march on the street" to support our
>>>> rights to
>>>> bear cameras people? Innocent people were killed because they are
>>>> in the wrong place and they carried cameras.
>>>>
>>>> Sad.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 7:41 PM, Geoff Hopkinson
>>>> <hopsternew at gmail.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In my opinion this is inappropriate for the LUG.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Geoff
>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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In reply to: Message from steve.barbour at gmail.com (Steve Barbour) ([Leica] WikiLeaks)
Message from hopsternew at gmail.com (Geoff Hopkinson) ([Leica] WikiLeaks)
Message from richard at imagecraft.com (Richard Man) ([Leica] WikiLeaks)
Message from hopsternew at gmail.com (Geoff Hopkinson) ([Leica] WikiLeaks)
Message from photo.forrest at earthlink.net (Philip Forrest) ([Leica] WikiLeaks)
Message from imagist3 at mac.com (George Lottermoser) ([Leica] WikiLeaks)