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Subject: [Leica] A 1976 AP photo of Justice J.P. Stevens
From: rhart76 at gmail.com (Roger Hart)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 09:57:30 -0400
References: <r2l19b6d42d1004152039oc8b46606v93ede9edd950060a@mail.gmail.com> <C6A61E41-7AE2-4AAB-B566-466372271B99@charter.net> <60B21ED0-F859-4C3B-9762-7F804E785D14@frozenlight.eu> <B584370A-C434-4990-B13B-17944C026DF6@charter.net> <h2p19b6d42d1004152247we7674acev4ea420f7b17e49da@mail.gmail.com>

I like the photo, too...but I used to shoot for the AP. My guess is that a 
black and white print of the original neg was made and was then 
digitized...but i'm just guessing. And to my knowledge, the AP still owns 
it's archives. The archive was called, or used to be called, Wide World 
Photos...the AP's photo agency. I think Wide World is still in existence.

The Associated Press is a cooperative owned by it's members, the newspapers, 
radio and television stations that use its services. Each member pays an 
annual fee based on circulation, audience size and the services used.
 
Obviously with the demise of many newspapers and the downsizing of many 
others, the AP has come under serious economic pressures of late. But it 
remains an important part of the news gathering structure throughout the 
world.

Roger Hart
Detroit


On Apr 16, 2010, at 1:47 AM, Vince Passaro <passaro.vince at gmail.com> 
wrote:

> What flare in which corner?
> 
> Do you guys know how AP photographs worked? They came in over the wire and
> were recomposed at the paper; that print  then is kept in a library (at 
> some
> papers) until being digitized, probably in like 1997, badly; you're so far
> from whatever the original was to discuss its sharpness is silly. If the
> image came last week from AP directly that too is how it would have
> survived; it's only marginally possible that anyone worked with the 
> original
> print again after it went out over the wires in 1976. But I suspect this 
> was
> in the Times' library and then digitized because I believe AP's photo
> library was sold to Bettman or Getty at some point so if the image had been
> bought last week it wouldn't have said "AP" I don't think. I could be wrong
> on that front however.
> 
> In any case you ain't looking at it like human bein' . A thousand more
> technically correct headshots wouldn't reveal the man in quite this way, or
> at all, and I happened to look at a lot of them in the wake of becoming
> interested in this photograph.  He was superficially a dull man and not 
> easy
> to "find" but this picture does -- in part by getting (literally) 
> underneath
> him. It's beautifully composed.
> 
> Nathan I figured out the "flare" you indicated. If that were flare it would
> mean the trash can was on fire. It's not flare; it's damage to the print.
> The light's coming fron entirely the other direction.
> 
> You guys better not go to the HCB show at MoMA. A lot of his pictures 
> aren't
> so sharp either.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 1:17 AM, slobodan Dimitrov
> <s.dimitrov at charter.net>wrote:
> 
>> It's from the very worst period in photography, when the 35mm SLR
>> manufactures jammed the public with their trash.
>> S.d.
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 15, 2010, at 10:08 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote:
>> 
>>> That was my reaction to it as well. Unsharp, lots of flare in the corner.
>>> 
>>> Nathan
>>> 
>>> Nathan Wajsman
>>> Alicante, Spain
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>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 6:57 AM, slobodan Dimitrov wrote:
>>> 
>>>> You're kidding, right?
>>>> It's a hideous image!
>>>> S.d.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Apr 15, 2010, at 8:39 PM, Vince Passaro wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> This picture ran on the front page of the New York Times the day after
>>>>> Stevens announced his resignation.  They still have it on the lens
>> blog.
>>>>> It's an uncredited AP photo. I like it a lot, I think it's a great
>>>>> photograph. I wonder what others think, and, specifically, what size
>> lens
>>>>> people think it was taken with. I'm thinking 35mm or even 28mm and
>> cropped
>>>>> but I don't know nothin'.
>>>>> 
>>>>> People's reactions would be of great interest to me.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Here's the url:
>>>>> 
>> http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2010/04/09/us/20100409-stevens-slideshow_index.html?ref=politics
>>>>> 
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