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Subject: [Leica] Daniel's Comments on a Leica EVIL Camera at LHSA Wetzlar
From: r.s.taylor at comcast.net (Richard Taylor)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 19:36:02 -0400
References: <AANLkTikPFOZP1onFMe1JA=RGNy0774mhVrgqLV6oUYqD@mail.gmail.com> <AANLkTimLTL38tN89bA6rjZaX01ERD3VU7wEf0WQDVkCN@mail.gmail.com> <AANLkTinuFys3b4TRNYObgU=HBD4-BJV2z7wZ+BaiSZ-F@mail.gmail.com> <4CAC3E47.40806@gmx.de> <AANLkTi=UwbX-rOMWAs-qjvJr7fTD58aGA8QeMMrTy8GE@mail.gmail.com> <DF031629-37AD-4513-9C42-0EC7F6A73CF1@comcast.net> <1E6D2713-1041-4D38-90EE-6EE1D24965F2@frozenlight.eu> <8FBE5829-AFAB-4048-9B6D-23EBBFB44553@comcast.net> <AA49D156-6B5A-4C1E-B5BF-5C37BB5D6852@frozenlight.eu>

I was also surprised at now many people were sporting Nikons and Canons, 
sometimes in addition to Leicas, sometimes not.  There were quite a few 
micro-4/3rds cameras, too.  

What ever was in use, there were lots of pictures taken this year.  

Regards, 

Dick



On Oct 07, 2010, at 1:57 AM, Nathan Wajsman wrote:

> I participated in an LHSA event in Solms/Wetzlar back in 1998 or 99 or 
> 2000 and was struck by (1) the number of Leicas hanging from people's 
> necks and shoulders, (2) the low frequency of same Leicas being lifted to 
> the eye in order to take a picture.
> 
> Cheers,
> Nathan
> 
> Nathan Wajsman
> Alicante, Spain
> http://www.frozenlight.eu
> http://www.greatpix.eu
> http://www.nathanfoto.com
> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog
> 
> YNWA
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 7, 2010, at 12:34 AM, Richard Taylor wrote:
> 
>> Yeah, well, at 70 I was just a bit over the median age I think.  Lotsa 
>> people took lotsa pictures.  I'm just starting to go through them, and my 
>> shots from my week in Tokyo before the meeting, now.  I'll try to post 
>> some soon. 
>> 
>> Regards, 
>> 
>> Dick
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 06, 2010, at 6:00 PM, Nathan Wajsman wrote:
>> 
>>> Getting too old for an LHSA event? No way, Dick!
>>> Did anyone in the party actually take any pictures?
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Nathan
>>> 
>>> Nathan Wajsman
>>> Alicante, Spain
>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu
>>> http://www.greatpix.eu
>>> http://www.nathanfoto.com
>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
>>> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog
>>> 
>>> YNWA
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 6, 2010, at 3:32 PM, Richard Taylor wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Stefan Daniel was asked about the "R Solution" at the LHSA meeting and 
>>>> he replied with what I felt was considerable regret that it was 
>>>> economically unfeasible given the current competition in the DSLR 
>>>> market.  But, ... 
>>>> 
>>>> He went on to talk about the development of a *full-frame* camera with 
>>>> an EVF that would be primarily directed at M users but that would also 
>>>> take R lenses with an adapter.  They are also considering development 
>>>> of a line of autofocus lenses for this camera.  Let's hope they don't 
>>>> snatch defeat from the jaws of victory on this one like they did with 
>>>> the X-1.
>>>> 
>>>> Another tidbit:  Leica, at least for its M lenses, remains committed to 
>>>> the development of lenses that are fully corrected optically - no 
>>>> firmware corrections, please. 
>>>> 
>>>> By far the most interesting thing at Photokina was the new Fuji X100 
>>>> that Fuji was showing in mockup only but with an operating viewfinder.  
>>>> The optical finder had projected frame lines and minimal info (shutter 
>>>> speed, f-stop and ISO) so it was nicely uncluttered. A flick of a 
>>>> switch converts the finder to an EVF.  It uses an APS-C sensor and I 
>>>> saw nothing to make me think the frame lines were parallax corrected.  
>>>> Cool, nevertheless!  It's about the size of a GF-1.  It looks like an 
>>>> interesting camera and I look forward to seeing some images from it.
>>>> 
>>>> The Wetzlar meeting was a lot of fun, but having signed up for *all* 
>>>> the tours I ended the week walked out and considerably tired.  Maybe 
>>>> I'm just getting too old for this kind of stuff.  :-)      
>>>> 
>>>> Regards, 
>>>> 
>>>> Dick
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Oct 06, 2010, at 5:35 AM, Richard Man wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Ah, so it's not even "may be we will look at it in 2 years, but NEVER" 
>>>>> :-(
>>>>> 
>>>>> (well not that I use the R systems, but seeing stuff from Doug and 
>>>>> George,
>>>>> clearly there is something there there)
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 2:15 AM, Douglas Sharp <douglas.sharp at 
>>>>> gmx.de> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I quote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> R-SYSTEM
>>>>>> A digital solution in the form of a R10 was not presentable. Such an
>>>>>> investment would have been to great for Leica. The development of the
>>>>>> S-System cost ?30m. A similar effort for a digital R was not fundable.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Not presentable (nicht darstellbar) should be "not feasible" - it's an
>>>>>> expression often used by engineers - so what was actually meant above 
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "we took a look at the idea and shelved it 'cos we couldn't afford it 
>>>>>> in a
>>>>>> month of Sundays, and it wouldn't be profitable even if we could"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>> Douglas
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 06.10.2010 06:00, Geoff Hopkinson wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Absolutely understandable disappointment for R lens owners of course.
>>>>>>> However the expectaiton for a 'solution' this Photokina came 
>>>>>>> entirely from
>>>>>>> speculation and desire rather than specific promise. All largely
>>>>>>> unremarked
>>>>>>> here but there has been an awful lot of anguish and emotional 
>>>>>>> outpouring,
>>>>>>> dummy spitting, rants and stompimg out of the room in the 
>>>>>>> (dedicated) L
>>>>>>> Camera Forum.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Stefan Daniel told us in mid 2009 that they were working on the 
>>>>>>> 'suitable
>>>>>>> solution' but not to expect it before this Photokina etc.  That of 
>>>>>>> course
>>>>>>> has now slipped further but at least they have provided some 
>>>>>>> slightly more
>>>>>>> specific information on the possible form that it may take (in 
>>>>>>> general
>>>>>>> terms). I think that Leica Camera have learnt a lesson there and are 
>>>>>>> less
>>>>>>> likely to provide any specific models and developments that are only
>>>>>>> planned
>>>>>>> or not.
>>>>>>> According to an attendee at the LHSA meeting in Wtezlar Leica 
>>>>>>> management
>>>>>>> have now excluded the possible solution prior to photokina 2012.
>>>>>>> Personally I am still stunned tht the S2 development costs were some 
>>>>>>> 30
>>>>>>> million EURO and I note their comment that other medium format camera
>>>>>>> manufacturers occupied something like 50% less floor space at pk. 
>>>>>>> Not a
>>>>>>> reassuring indicator for the genre, if unsurprising.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>> Geoff
>>>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 6 October 2010 13:33, Jayanand Govindaraj<jayanand at gmail.com>  
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Looks like they are working overtime to 'repair their finances' for 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>> being. Can't blame them for that, it is a pragmatic business 
>>>>>>>> decision.
>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>> Jayanand
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 4:08 AM, Geoff Hopkinson<hopsternew at 
>>>>>>>> gmail.com
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Andy Barton, a MOD on the L Camera Forum has posted a summary of
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> responses
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> from Leica Camera Executives to a number of questions on Leica 
>>>>>>>>> products
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> policy.
>>>>>>>>> You can read it here, even if not a meber of that forum
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-forum/customer-forum/144758-leica-luf-%40-pkina-english.html
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>> Geoff
>>>>>>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
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