Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2010/12/19
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Ted, In 1970s I somehow managed to buy an R3 by otherwise living on $1500/year, a wonderful camera. A friend had a chrome M which she had painted black. Best, John > > > John don't be upset because I sounded like a dragon in heat! :-) Didn't > think I was. :-) > > I love Leica gear as much as the next guy! Actually I probably love them > more and have used them more than most, not all, than many on list. > > Since about 1967 or earlier I have worked 3 R type cameras and a pile of > lenses to match those bodies. Along with 3 M bodies of similar model. > Sometimes daily for months on end during my documentary assignments. > > My reaction to handling the S2 is that it is an amazing piece of > photographic gear without question. And good on anybody who has the very > good fortune to have one, or three and lenses to use. My biggest problem > is with "LEICA the company" and yes I know their economic problems during > the past years. But what they did was, let down all of us who have stood > behind and supported them for many many years and that isn't just the > members of the LUG family here! > > They fiddled and farted about with some kind of "digital attachment" for > the R8 and R9. Many bought into it and many have been left hanging out in > the dump with a piece of junk! No it isn't a piece of junk really, it has > an incredible potential and people on list have shown what the DMR could > do many many times. > > But there were so many horror stories by so many who bought the DMR and > just when they required physical support for the craping out bits and > pieces! .... LEICA abandoned them! Batteries and heaven knows what all > else! > > So what do they do? They bring out an absolutely smashingly stunning for > quality, fantastic digital SLR camera that damn few of their for years > followers can afford or couldn't purchase. Yes I know all the stories > about.. "What's your problem? Just because you can't afford one, does that > mean they shouldn't have made the S2?" > > No I don't have any problem with their price. However, I do have a major > problem with them in that they let those of us who supported and purchased > their SLR cameras before all others right from the beginning, were let > down and screwed! > > The S2 without question is a smashing great camera, probably the best > Leica ever made in their SLR line. > > Your example is interesting in quality, quite possibly for the type of > photography you do. But for those of us who have generally worked in a > form of photojournalism for 60 years the S2 quality is almost overkill! > The DMR was and is beautiful for quality. If only everyone could be lucky > enough that it would keep on working. > > It would've been nice if LEICA had come out with a fine working SLR that > allowed us to use our R lenses without the misery trailing the DMR. Don't > get me totally wrong. The DMR when working properly creates a quality many > other manufacturers' lack without question. > > I suggest you have no fear about posting to the LUG family any time or in > the future. By the same token you might, like many of us, :-) have yer > tail bitten or supposedly bitten on occasion. :-) > > Looking forward to your next post. > > Cheers, > Dr. ted. :-) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Man"<richard at imagecraft.com> > To: "Leica Users Group"<lug at leica-users.org> > Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 7:56 PM > Subject: Re: [Leica] Any chance there is a DMR out there for sale? S2 > > >> Don't be discouraged. >> >> What does that Theodore Grant know :-) >> >> Seriously, Dr. Ted calls it as he sees it, but he is by no mean the final >> words, especially not on a single image. >> >> Keep posting! Don't let hacks like me, or pro like Ted to discourage >> you!!! >> >> On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 7:34 PM, John Nebel<john.nebel at csdco.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Gee, thanks for the encouragement! Why I don't post much. >>> >>> >>> On 12/18/10 7:47 PM, tedgrant at shaw.ca wrote: >>> >>>> John Nebel offered: >>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Any chance there is a DMR out there for sale? >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Richard, >>>>> >>>>> The thangkas http://thangkas.csd.net are photographed with an ancient >>>>> Sinar >>>>> multi-shot as is the material on http://www.ancientmoney.org >>>>> >>>>> Here is a link to an S2 image - click on any area of the pop-up for bit >>>>> peaking: >>>>> >>>>> http://photos.csd.net/chautauqua.html<<<, >>>>> >>>> >>>> Am I wrong in thinking all we are seeing is a bunch of poppy cock >>>> nonsense >>>> about >>>> an incredible piece of photographic equipment none of us can afford to >>>> buy? Or? >>>> >>>> It isn't going to make your photography any better, if you know nothing >>>> about >>>> light, shooting from the shadow side and the many other things that sort >>>> out >>>> photographers... good - bad& ugly! >>>> >>>> I mean the example shown taken with an S2 which is nothing more than a >>>> hump in >>>> the ground with a lot of grass and bushes? Really does this make you >>>> quiver in >>>> your shoes with incredible excitement? Or is it just another hump in the >>>> ground >>>> with a bunch of grass that would look no different than taken with a >>>> digilux 2? >>>> >>>> Oh yeah, the print out would definitely look of a higher caliber no >>>> question. >>>> Hell for $30 grand or more I'd hope so! >>>> >>>> But the content? Would the photographic content and magic captured of >>>> life >>>> make >>>> you wet your pants with "Oh my Gawd look at that incredible photograph >>>> and >>>> quality of image!?" >>>> >>>> Sorry folks but I've used Leica gear probably longer than many of you >>>> alive on >>>> list. But instead of continuing to support and make gear for their most >>>> ardent >>>> followers, LEICA is after space Martians out of reality with money!! >>>> >>>> I've handled an S2, been completely blown away with the feel, quick fast >>>> and >>>> faster auto focus, feel in my hands and all the other positives! I still >>>> wouldn't buy it unless I had clients worth shooting for to make the >>>> produced >>>> quality worth the cost. >>>> >>>> But to purchase as an everyday fun shooting camera as an amateur? Not >>>> for >>>> one >>>> blinking moment! And right there is the biggest problem with Leica.... >>>> they have >>>> forgotten the thousands of every day good folks to buy a Leica for fun >>>> picture >>>> taking! And they're eventually going to lose because they forgot us all >>>> and >>>> everyone! >>>> >>>> Dr. ted >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> // richard<http://www.imagecraft.com/> >> // icc blog:<http://imagecraft.com/blog/> >> // photo blog:<http://www.5pmlight.com> >> [ For technical support on ImageCraft products, please include all >> previous >> replies in your msgs. ] >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information