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Subject: [Leica] Apple 27" LED Display Questions
From: benedenia at gmail.com (Marty Deveney)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 20:07:05 +1030
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I use an XRite i1 Pro.  It seems to calibrate the IMac, Mac and other
screens just fine.  I haven't used a Spyder since the 1990, but the i1
has a shielded sensor with a hood-like matte plastic part around it,
which might help.  My screen is just right, if 6-7 cd too dim.

Marty



On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 1:49 AM, Richard Taylor <r.s.taylor at comcast.net> 
wrote:
> Marty - The end result of the calibration process on a glossy-screen iMac 
> leaves whites a rather sickly gray-green in my experience. ?From what I 
> learned from the people who make the Spyder there are reflections between 
> the actual front of the screen and the exterior glass, i.e., the sensor 
> really isn't right on the screen itself. ?That leaves the sensor 
> susceptible to external light, too. I tried all kinds of tricks to 
> minimize external reflections, even to fully shrouding the screen in black 
> cloth during the calibration sequence, but nothing helped. ?This was true 
> even for brightness settings well below maximum.
>
> OTH, as I said, the manual internal calibrator works fine if you do the 
> calibration patiently and it leaves whutes looking, well, white.
>
> If you know some way of making the calibrators work, I'd really like to 
> know what it is.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dick
>
>
>
> On Jan 22, 2011, at 9:26 AM, Marty Deveney wrote:
>
>> Why not Richard? ?Mine calibrates properly, if slightly less bright
>> than ideal (112-113 cd instead of 120).
>>
>> Marty
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 12:28 AM, Richard Taylor <r.s.taylor at 
>> comcast.net> wrote:
>>> To add my two cents: ?I have a 27" iMac and am delighted with it. ?The 
>>> reflections can be controlled by placement and keeping light sources out 
>>> of its FOV, BUT it will not calibrate properly with a Spyder or any 
>>> other calibrator AFAIK. ?I calibrated mine manually using the internal 
>>> calibrator. ?It takes some time and has to be done with great patience 
>>> but once done prints from my printer and local processor match the 
>>> screen nearly perfectly.
>>>
>>> I don't know how you'd do manual calibration on a PC.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Dick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 21, 2011, at 6:26 AM, Marty Deveney wrote:
>>>
>>>> The main problem with the Apple screens is that the adjustments are
>>>> coarse, so if you have a good calibrating device, you either need to
>>>> have it slightly less bright than optimal or a lot brighter. ?I keep
>>>> mine about 10-15 cd less bright than the absolute ideal. ?My old Sony
>>>> Artisan was much better in this regard and the Eizo and NEC screens
>>>> are too. ?The Apple factors settings are pretty good, much better than
>>>> most screens.
>>>>
>>>> Marty
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 8:43 PM, Jeff Moore <jbm at jbm.org> wrote:
>>>>> 2011-01-21-02:07:20 Chris Crawford:
>>>>>> I had one of the 17 inch NEC crt monitors too, loved it until it 
>>>>>> finally
>>>>>> died. That's when I replaced it with the LCD I have now. The NEC lcd 
>>>>>> screens
>>>>>> are really cool because they are self-calibrating (If you get it with 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> Spectraview software and colorimeter). The calibration happens in the
>>>>>> monitor, not by adjusting the video card, the way all other screens 
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> calibrated.
>>>>>
>>>>> All other screens? ?No, just all screens without internal lookup
>>>>> tables adjustable to help profile them. ?In other words, toy monitors.
>>>>> Good monitors have 10- or 12-bit lookup tables which the calibration
>>>>> software tweaks. ?Good monitors like Eizo, who've been doing that for
>>>>> years (in their serious graphics monitors). ?"Only NEC", forsooth.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's the good stuff:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?http://www.eizo.com/global/products/coloredge/index.html
>>>>>
>>>>> ?http://www.eizo.com/global/products/coloredge/cg221/index.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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In reply to: Message from alal at poly.edu (A. Lal) ([Leica] Apple 27" LED Display Questions)
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