Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2011/03/08
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Nice work, Lluis, and interesting thoughts from Dr. Ted and Nathan. I agree that film has a different look but the immediacy of digital is important, too. I have an M6 and a Nikon D300. For me, it's often the choice of which camera do I like better and want to use. The M6 always wins in that situation. But...the D300 has good uses, too. I think if I made the move to an M9, I'd probably still use the M6 some but the D300 even less. On 3/8/11 11:10 AM, "Lluis Ripoll" <lluisripollquerol at gmail.com> wrote: >Hi Ted and Nathan, mes amis > >Maybe I was too enthousiast saying "film is better" instead of "I like >better B&W on film". IMO there are two things that film gives better than >digital, at least for my experience. The blacks are more deepth, more >dense, >no noise in the shadows or lower light areas, the higlights are not >blocked. >Maybe I don't have enough skills on digital, but I'm much more fast >editing >at PS a B&W picture from film than converting it from digital color to >B&W. > >It was a while I've not used film, after 2 or 3 months I'm using Silver >Efex >Pro, yes this is fine and I can get better results and approach much >better >the film, but in general I find that film give me better results according >to my preferences. > >You say that actually you think in color, and this is arriving to me too, >digital color is so nice and immediate that it becomes difficult think on >B&W or maybe do a conversion that it satisfy you better than the color >version. Probably this is too influenced by a psichological "effect", you >immediately see a color digital picture and can do also immediately the >conversion; with film this arrives after some hours or days and you have >already forgett the natural colors of the scene, than when you scann and >see, I say "oh! is beautiful!". > >I hope I have give a response to your questions, maybe wrong..., but >according to my experience and skills on digital. I don't know if the >sensor >of a M9 is better corrected for the things I've commented. I think that it >should be a special firmware or sensor to do directly B&W... I don't think >that B&W could be defined as simply "substract the color", the original >invention was different. > >This is my opinion....., my 2 cents ... > >I don't think I can write today more comments about this subject, now I'm >on >the office and I go to the Opera House in one hour. > >Thanks for your questions! > >cheers >Lluis > > > >2011/3/8 <tedgrant at shaw.ca> > >> Lluis Ripoll said: >> >>> M7, Elmarit 28mm Asph, Plus X..... Film is better! <<<< >>>>> >>>> >> Nathan Offered: >> >>> > Very nice, Lluis, especially the 2nd and last one. I don't know if >>>film >>>> > is better, it is just different.<<<< >>>> >>> >> Hi both, :-) >> >> Lluis and Nathan a couple of questions? >> >> 1/ Why do you say "Film is better?" >> >> 2/ "Where do you think film is better?" >> >> Since I became "Hooked on digital," it has never occurred to me to ever >>go >> back to film..... "OF ANY KIND!" Or even think about it. And don't miss >>it >> for one milli-second! >> >> I shoot nothing but digital with various cameras and I still expose the >> neat things I did with film. Actually, I think in colour "digital >>colour is >> immediate, result is right there in a moment!" No need to or rarely >>need to >> bracket frame after frame as we did with film. Nor do I have to take it >>to >> the lab, wait for the developing a couple of hours? Days? Weeks? >>Depending >> which film I was using? >> >> And as I understand from Tina and others, today there is software? I >>think >> that's what it is? You can make digital images look like they were shot >>on >> film. But being me, my response is always "WHY? AND WHO CARES?" >>Certainly if >> the content is a smashing great content! After all isn't it the content >>that >> matters most and not whether the image looks like Tri-x, Kodachrome or >> whatever?Just a couple of early morning thoughts and questions. >> cheers, >> ted >> >> ================================================ >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Wajsman" >><photo at frozenlight.eu> >> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> >> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 11:02 PM >> Subject: Re: [Leica] The MACBA & El Raval >> >> >> Very nice, Lluis, especially the 2nd and last one. I don't know if >>film is >>> better, it is just different. >>> >>> Saludos, >>> Nathan >>> >>> Nathan Wajsman >>> Alicante, Spain >>> http://www.frozenlight.eu >>> http://www.greatpix.eu >>> http://www.nathanfoto.com >>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >>> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog >>> >>> YNWA >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mar 5, 2011, at 11:31 AM, Lluis Ripoll wrote: >>> >>> The MACBA is the Museum of art contemporary in Barcelona >>>> >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/El_Raval/2011020228w.jpg.html >>>> >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/El_Raval/2011020227w.jpg.html >>>> >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/El_Raval/2011020216w.jpg.html >>>> >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/El_Raval/2011020210w.jpg.html >>>> >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/El_Raval/2011020208w.jpg.html >>>> >>>> M7, Elmarit 28mm Asph, Plus X..... Film is better! >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks for looking, your c&c are welcome >>>> >>>> Saludos >>>> Lluis >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/ >>>> http://photo.net/photos/lluisripoll >>>> Blog: >>>> http://lluisripollphotography.wordpress.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > >_______________________________________________ >Leica Users Group. >See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information