Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2011/03/08
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Hi Steve, Thank you! Real!, is the second time I go to this performance, a great cast and staging!, in total (with the rest time) 5 hrs 15 min!, music only 4 hours 15 min. I like very much this one! and probably I'll go back next Saturday, a friend will gave me a ticket. Amiti?s Lluis 2011/3/8 Steve Barbour <steve.barbour at gmail.com> > > On Mar 8, 2011, at 8:10 AM, Lluis Ripoll wrote: > > > Hi Ted and Nathan, mes amis > > > > Maybe I was too enthousiast saying "film is better" instead of "I like > > better B&W on film". IMO there are two things that film gives better than > > digital, at least for my experience. The blacks are more deepth, more > dense, > > no noise in the shadows or lower light areas, the higlights are not > blocked. > > Maybe I don't have enough skills on digital, but I'm much more fast > editing > > at PS a B&W picture from film than converting it from digital color to > B&W. > > > > It was a while I've not used film, after 2 or 3 months I'm using Silver > Efex > > Pro, yes this is fine and I can get better results and approach much > better > > the film, but in general I find that film give me better results > according > > to my preferences. > > > > You say that actually you think in color, and this is arriving to me too, > > digital color is so nice and immediate that it becomes difficult think on > > B&W or maybe do a conversion that it satisfy you better than the color > > version. Probably this is too influenced by a psichological "effect", you > > immediately see a color digital picture and can do also immediately the > > conversion; with film this arrives after some hours or days and you have > > already forgett the natural colors of the scene, than when you scann and > > see, I say "oh! is beautiful!". > > > > I hope I have give a response to your questions, maybe wrong..., but > > according to my experience and skills on digital. I don't know if the > sensor > > of a M9 is better corrected for the things I've commented. I think that > it > > should be a special firmware or sensor to do directly B&W... I don't > think > > that B&W could be defined as simply "substract the color", the original > > invention was different. > > > > This is my opinion....., my 2 cents ... > > > > I don't think I can write today more comments about this subject, now I'm > on > > the office and I go to the Opera House in one hour. > > > enjoy Parsifal... > > how many hours? > > digital or real? > > > best Steve > > > > > > > > Thanks for your questions! > > > > cheers > > Lluis > > > > > > > > 2011/3/8 <tedgrant at shaw.ca> > > > >> Lluis Ripoll said: > >> > >>> M7, Elmarit 28mm Asph, Plus X..... Film is better! <<<< > >>>>> > >>>> > >> Nathan Offered: > >> > >>>> Very nice, Lluis, especially the 2nd and last one. I don't know if > film > >>>>> is better, it is just different.<<<< > >>>> > >>> > >> Hi both, :-) > >> > >> Lluis and Nathan a couple of questions? > >> > >> 1/ Why do you say "Film is better?" > >> > >> 2/ "Where do you think film is better?" > >> > >> Since I became "Hooked on digital," it has never occurred to me to ever > go > >> back to film..... "OF ANY KIND!" Or even think about it. And don't miss > it > >> for one milli-second! > >> > >> I shoot nothing but digital with various cameras and I still expose the > >> neat things I did with film. Actually, I think in colour "digital colour > is > >> immediate, result is right there in a moment!" No need to or rarely need > to > >> bracket frame after frame as we did with film. Nor do I have to take it > to > >> the lab, wait for the developing a couple of hours? Days? Weeks? > Depending > >> which film I was using? > >> > >> And as I understand from Tina and others, today there is software? I > think > >> that's what it is? You can make digital images look like they were shot > on > >> film. But being me, my response is always "WHY? AND WHO CARES?" > Certainly if > >> the content is a smashing great content! After all isn't it the content > that > >> matters most and not whether the image looks like Tri-x, Kodachrome or > >> whatever?Just a couple of early morning thoughts and questions. > >> cheers, > >> ted > >> > >> ================================================ > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nathan Wajsman" < > photo at frozenlight.eu> > >> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> > >> Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 11:02 PM > >> Subject: Re: [Leica] The MACBA & El Raval > >> > >> > >> Very nice, Lluis, especially the 2nd and last one. I don't know if film > is > >>> better, it is just different. > >>> > >>> Saludos, > >>> Nathan > >>> > >>> Nathan Wajsman > >>> Alicante, Spain > >>> http://www.frozenlight.eu > >>> http://www.greatpix.eu > >>> http://www.nathanfoto.com > >>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws > >>> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog > >>> > >>> YNWA > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Mar 5, 2011, at 11:31 AM, Lluis Ripoll wrote: > >>> > >>> The MACBA is the Museum of art contemporary in Barcelona > >>>> > >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/El_Raval/2011020228w.jpg.html > >>>> > >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/El_Raval/2011020227w.jpg.html > >>>> > >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/El_Raval/2011020216w.jpg.html > >>>> > >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/El_Raval/2011020210w.jpg.html > >>>> > >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/El_Raval/2011020208w.jpg.html > >>>> > >>>> M7, Elmarit 28mm Asph, Plus X..... Film is better! > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Thanks for looking, your c&c are welcome > >>>> > >>>> Saludos > >>>> Lluis > >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/ > >>>> http://photo.net/photos/lluisripoll > >>>> Blog: > >>>> http://lluisripollphotography.wordpress.com/ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Leica Users Group. > >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Leica Users Group. > >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >>> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Leica Users Group. > >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Leica Users Group. > > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >