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Subject: [Leica] IMGS: check out Keith Wessel's photographs
From: imagist3 at mac.com (George Lottermoser)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 16:04:22 -0600
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On Mar 11, 2011, at 3:47 PM, Frank Filippone wrote:

> What does collective bargaining have to do with this argument?

Precisely what we're asking.

> NO MONEY.

We must stop pretending that this is so.
Call it the canard that it is.
MONEY did not disappear.
Perceived VALUE has diminished.
The MONEY still exists and we know who has it.

> Something needs to be done
> to balance or attempt to balance budgets, and there are only a few ways to
> save money.

Why will no discuss REVENUE.
Every budget has two elements: Income. Expenses.
When expenses have been cut to the bone
one MUST discuss INCOME.

> You STOP SPENDING.  And then you look for ways to balance
> your personal expenses.....  

AND INCREASE INCOME!

> Why should anyone think Government is or should
> be different?

Shouldn't.

> Pension reform is coming..... if only by the mandate of bankruptcy... no 
> tax
> revenue money = no government money = no pension money = no payouts.... 

Why are we not talking about off-shore tricks?
Why are we not talking about the IRS enforcing existing regulations and 
collections
from the largest tax dodgers and loophole exploiters?
We must stop the "let's pretend" manners
as if we don't want to offend our hosts.

> Sorry for all of you out there that do get a pension ( teachers, other
> government employees, and you too commercial Union pensioneers, etc....)

In Wisconsin about the only solvent, in the black, pool is the teachers 
pension fund.
I guarantee that this governor will raid that self sufficient fund 
and give it to his corporate cronies under the guise of business incentives.
These are rip-off schemes.
I have grown so tired of this "let's pretend" game.

> Collective bargaining is or should be efficient, not unassailable......


It is a SIMPLE and NECESSARY concept
of a group of adults sitting down and discussing these matters
IN GOOD FAITH.
Whether one does for him or herself.
or as a group - it is obviously necessary.

Regards,
George Lottermoser 
george at imagist.com
http://www.imagist.com
http://www.imagist.com/blog
http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist







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